The MIG-23 was never given the green light from the sound of it, so Razbam announced it pre-maturely. That is what Wags (or someone else from ED, don't recall) claimed. Why they were not allowed to release it is unknown. I would have preferred and MLD anyways.
As for the Viggen, I would have preferred a late model with AIM-120s. Like I would have preferred a Mirage 2000-5F or later. But it seems post-1980 aircraft are largely impossible to model with few exceptions. That is the down side to highly detailed flight simulators.
Originally Posted By: - Ice
Nope. Nothing at all. But why make the F-14 or the F-18 when you can make the Viggen? Any interest in the Apache at all? Yes? Here, have the Gazelle. Oh, there's an outcry for a dual-seat aircraft? Let's make trainers! Let's make a poll to see what the community wants... oh, a DC? Here are more scripted campaigns!
Hence the constant "sales" to get as much money as possible. If they'd have concentrated their efforts on the Hornet after the Warthog's release 5 years ago, they could be printing their own currency now. But nope, they chose to do other things instead.
It seems the 3rd party developers focus on aircraft due to their nationality. This is to be expected in a way; people always like to choose their country and equipment in games. I also think doing something more modern is harder to do for a 4-8 man group. The 3rd party devs seem to rely a lot of finding information locally and using known sources from their own country/military to assist with the aircraft. I'd imagine you need to do more than google information for this level of detail.
More FC3 level planes would probably give more leeway for more modern planes and less of a research restraint. That is my personal hope for DCS.
More FC3 level planes would probably give more leeway for more modern planes and less of a research restraint. That is my personal hope for DCS.
It's a view shared by many others as well though I'm personally not sure how well they would sell - I know I for one probably wouldn't like it as I've now become accustomed to the DCS level of aircraft and it's actually the systems side of things that I like (however I'm liking what I am seeing from the A-4 Skyhawk in development).
But to be fair, I'm not like everyone else and there are probably a whole lot of people that would love to have more aircraft at the FC3 level. It's the flight sim dilemma of our age (well the past 5-7 years): do we want a higher fidelity flight sim and aircraft over a longer period of time, or do we want a lower fidelity with lots of aircraft.
Anyway - back to the topic at hand: the Viggen. Have always had a soft spot for this aircraft (no idea why a Kiwi would) and after skimming the manual this morning know I am in for some fun times ahead learning as much as I can about the systems on board this aircraft.
Exactly. I need it to feel accurate, but I don't care about the more graduate-level systems with navigation and radios and such.
I accept that many of these planes have a high workload for the pilot, with 15 steps to get the radar working and lock on to a target successfully. I just don't care to do that myself. I prefer to have it automated to emulate the fact that I'm not me in the cockpit, I'm a trained combat pilot. I don't think about flipping the dozen switches in the proper order, I just do it by memory. I don't get any enjoyment from a systems trainer, I want to be a combat pilot in action. A campaign where I fly 50 missions and see action in 8 of them could be realistic, but super dull.
Realism should be there to enhance the enjoyment, not handicap it. If a particular feature detracts from my entertainment, I don't use it. If I'm forced to use it, it really makes me think twice about flying that plane the next time.
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More FC3 level planes would probably give more leeway for more modern planes and less of a research restraint. That is my personal hope for DCS.
It's a view shared by many others as well though I'm personally not sure how well they would sell -
I do not have sale numbers, but I recall ED claiming that FC3 was the best selling module. In part due to it being the only module with fighters at the time, but I'd imagine it would still hold true now. It is an excellent value and has a lot of planes people want to play. I myself am interested in planes like the Mirage 2000 and Viggen, but the variants they choose are not the ones I would have preferred. And that is largely due to research constraints I'd imagine.
I can see something like a Super Hornet, even at FC3 level of detail, being to classified to get implemented. But I think there is a higher chance than a study sim.
Originally Posted By: Genbrien
Personally I would not mind other airplanes ala FC3, but they need to have an advance flight model
Agreed. AFM at a minimum. I would be willing to have some slight inaccuracies as long as it feels close enough.
[quote=Flogger23m] It's a view shared by many others as well though I'm personally not sure how well they would sell - I know I for one probably wouldn't like it as I've now become accustomed to the DCS level of aircraft and it's actually the systems side of things that I like (however I'm liking what I am seeing from the A-4 Skyhawk in development).
developing an A-4 ? that is news to me, is it a Belsimtek or is it ED itself that is doing it ?
[quote=Flogger23m] It's a view shared by many others as well though I'm personally not sure how well they would sell - I know I for one probably wouldn't like it as I've now become accustomed to the DCS level of aircraft and it's actually the systems side of things that I like (however I'm liking what I am seeing from the A-4 Skyhawk in development).
developing an A-4 ? that is news to me, is it a Belsimtek or is it ED itself that is doing it ?
It's a mod, but from scratch. A group called HoggitDev is working it for a year or so. Pretty nice, but will be FC3-ish. Still a very promising add-on that will set the bar pretty high. Even for pay modules.
Quick question about the video of the Viggen. Is that a new terrain it's flying in or is it just Caucus terrain during the winter? It's looks, in my opinion, very different from the Caucus terrain. Admittedly, I am not an avid flyer yet in DCS, so just curious since i didn't notice any comments regarding terrain, so I assumed perhaps it's the default terrain.
Apologies, perhaps should have been more specific of which video.
Quick question about the video of the Viggen. Is that a new terrain it's flying in or is it just Caucus terrain during the winter? It's looks, in my opinion, very different from the Caucus terrain. Admittedly, I am not an avid flyer yet in DCS, so just curious since i didn't notice any comments regarding terrain, so I assumed perhaps it's the default terrain.
You assumed right - It's the default Caucasus. With non-default textures, however - Barthek's GTM mod by the looks of it.
I'm pretty sure the only country that flew it was Sweden, so no actual combat. It's a fascinating aircraft though. I can't wait to fly it.
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I had no idea that thrust reversal could be automated. I cant wait to land on roads. The Swedes have not been at war since they had their first gen jet. They deployed the Tunnan in the 60s to Congo. So no, the Viggen never saw action. It was never deployed by any other nation. It is going to see a lot of action in DCS. Its short landing and takeoff (STOL) capabilities, variety of payloads and cool systems are going to make it a favorite of the hardcore simmers.
Cant wait!
Edit: Sweden deployed some Gripen fighters to the Lybian civil war in 2011. They covered the no fly zone and were not allowed to engage ground targets.