#4328505 - 01/14/17 04:22 PM
Re: Emergency Jettison vs Ext. Fuel Tanks Jettison?
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Hmmm... was Blu3wolf banned as well? I was hoping it was just me. However, their "banning" process isn't the same as DCS. It's more of a "time out" really, like you're getting on the nerves of the moderators and they've had enough of you for now so they're giving you some "alone time." Whether this is justified or not is a different matter. Like I said, me and Blu3wolf thought there was no need for the mods to step in and I even tried to continue the discussion on a more productive route but I guess the mods wanted the thread dead regardless of whether there was still a discussion-worthy question. Has the thread been locked? Schwalbe did hit the nail on the head on his post. If we can use the reason "it's their forum and their rules" for DCS, I can't see why we can't use the same for BMS. Even more important, as he mentioned, the people who are members of the BMS forum are not really "customers" but rather mod-users. The BMS devs do their own work, maintain the forum, pay the bills, etc. so I can totally see the "behave yourself or else" justification. I will say that it is a forum that is open for debates, just make sure you "behave" yourself once a mod steps in They even have a DCS thread that got heated, people got banned for a while, thread got locked, but then after a while the thread was re-opened but because of that action, nobody very much bothers to debate in that thread. Not worth getting banned on a BMS forum for discussing DCS. Totally no like ED forums where people have to tread on eggshells and there's the tongue-in-cheek-but-all-too-true "please don't ban me" statements. You don't see these on BMS forums.
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#4328510 - 01/14/17 04:40 PM
Re: Emergency Jettison vs Ext. Fuel Tanks Jettison?
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Hey Ice When they let u back in can u tell them that Phoenix said their AA-12 is completely NERFED\BROKEN. Seems to beat it all u need 2 do is fly straight at it and pull a hard 3 or 9 and she zooms right past the pit. IRL if the pilot was to see the missile that close he would already be toast. Wud tell em myself but dont think it wud go down too well
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#4328537 - 01/14/17 07:13 PM
Re: Emergency Jettison vs Ext. Fuel Tanks Jettison?
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iirc he was basically persona non grata to the group looks like still is.. comparing to the ed forum... i can only say sorry to you dcs scrubs. yet while it might be effective to use bms as a means to bash dcs, free community modding has its own problems.
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#4328541 - 01/14/17 07:42 PM
Re: Emergency Jettison vs Ext. Fuel Tanks Jettison?
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comparing to the ed forum... i can only say sorry to you dcs scrubs. Haha... I think you're mistaking me for a DCS fan... well, I was, but not currently. It's easy enough to see why yet while it might be effective to use bms as a means to bash dcs, free community modding has its own problems. It is effective and easy to use BMS and it's not even "bashing." Just saying things as it is. While a "free modding community" may have it's own set of challenges, as far as I can see, they're still taking those other devs for a ride and showing them how it's done! Now if only I can blackmail someone to make BMS VR-compatible...
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#4328673 - 01/15/17 01:38 PM
Re: Emergency Jettison vs Ext. Fuel Tanks Jettison?
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Too far away to befriend (personally), not good at ass-kissing plus difficult over written medium, and BMS devs don't take bribes. Therefore, blackmail is the only option I know RL situations where that works too! I meant i know rL situation where bms dev does take bribe. They just dont tell you and says they dont thats all. Oh bribery is an art. In a non-captalistic system, this is done exquisitely o.O For a start, "take it to PMs".
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#4328682 - 01/15/17 02:42 PM
Re: Emergency Jettison vs Ext. Fuel Tanks Jettison?
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@ ice
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It aint right to ban any1 the way they banned you,moderaters dont matter,its bms forums and they BMS run those forums...
just saying. Thanks for that, Phoenix. I do agree with you and was actually surprised that they decided to ban me for that, but nevermind. I meant i know rL situation where bms dev does take bribe. They just dont tell you and says they dont thats all. Oh bribery is an art. In a non-captalistic system, this is done exquisitely o.O For a start, "take it to PMs". Really?
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#4328718 - 01/15/17 04:49 PM
Re: Emergency Jettison vs Ext. Fuel Tanks Jettison?
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Hmmm... was Blu3wolf banned as well? I was hoping it was just me. However, their "banning" process isn't the same as DCS. It's more of a "time out" really, like you're getting on the nerves of the moderators and they've had enough of you for now so they're giving you some "alone time." Whether this is justified or not is a different matter. Like I said, me and Blu3wolf thought there was no need for the mods to step in and I even tried to continue the discussion on a more productive route but I guess the mods wanted the thread dead regardless of whether there was still a discussion-worthy question. Has the thread been locked? Schwalbe did hit the nail on the head on his post. If we can use the reason "it's their forum and their rules" for DCS, I can't see why we can't use the same for BMS. Even more important, as he mentioned, the people who are members of the BMS forum are not really "customers" but rather mod-users. The BMS devs do their own work, maintain the forum, pay the bills, etc. so I can totally see the "behave yourself or else" justification. I will say that it is a forum that is open for debates, just make sure you "behave" yourself once a mod steps in They even have a DCS thread that got heated, people got banned for a while, thread got locked, but then after a while the thread was re-opened but because of that action, nobody very much bothers to debate in that thread. Not worth getting banned on a BMS forum for discussing DCS. Totally no like ED forums where people have to tread on eggshells and there's the tongue-in-cheek-but-all-too-true "please don't ban me" statements. You don't see these on BMS forums. There's absolutely no excuse for you and Blu3wolf being banned like that! It doesn't matter if BMS is free or not that doesn't justify a ban. Heck, even if BMS PAID all and every player to play Falcon BMS (instead of being free) it simply wouldn't justify the moderators at the BMS forum to be total and complete pricks/idiots (judging from your ban). Those who "know me" from here at SimHQ knows that I'm an "avid" critic of ED/DCS and yes I find pathetic how the DCS forums are moderated but despite this at least they (at the DCS forums) are consistent: They apply censorship at their forums where you can't post any negative stuff about DCS either in their forum or in any other forum (like here at SimHQ). Perhaps this follows the trend of the history of ED/DCS home country, Russia? You can disagree with this and personally I certainly DISAGREE with this but at least you'll know why you can be banned at the DCS forums. But about the BMS forums?? It seems like if a moderator wakes up with the wrong feet you can get banned with no particular or reasonable reason at all! (like happened to you - Ice - and Blu3wolf). You IMO, this is even worse than DCS and again it doesn't matter if you're paying or not for the game - Being reasonable and polite are two essential conditions among every human being, specially among the ones that are in "charge of something", like moderators of a forum. Deep inside I always knew there was a reason why I rarely or almost never post at the BMS forums (despite having an account there). I guess this it!
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#4329366 - 01/18/17 02:22 PM
Re: Emergency Jettison vs Ext. Fuel Tanks Jettison?
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Well, apparently, there was enough "reason" to justify the ban. Whether that reason is sufficient, I guess, is subjective. Like I said, I was banned before... for replying to a post made by a banned member I do know there's quite a bit of politics going on behind the scenes but I don't know much about it and I really don't want to or care to get involved. Was it right that I got banned? Personally, I may be biased here, but I don't think so. Does it matter? Not really. I got banned anyway. However, to compare some weird rule with how the DCS forums are ran is unfair. Sure, you know exactly what can get you banned over there, but I'll take "getting out at the wrong side of the bed" over pain censorship and sterility and "pls don't ban me!" And then compare the end-product... DCS vs. BMS. Compare the devs. I will say that this event did put the BMS mods in a bad light, but still nowhere near DCS-level of incompetence. Thanks for the support though! I appreciate it!
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