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#4326463 - 01/06/17 07:17 PM Re: The most historically inaccurate war films [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Ah..okay. I have another one. Since someone mentioned Objective Burma I see we are not sticking to relatively new ones. (That's a movie which would leave the viewer to believe that the U.S. retook Burma instead of the British. They were rightfully outraged at the film).
How about The Flying Tigers. It led to a belief that exists to this day. That The Flying Tigers were fighting the Japanese before the U.S. entered the war. A complete lie.
The units first encounter with Japanese airplanes was on December 21st 1941. That's two weeks after Pearl Harbor.
But you will still find people, today, who will argue with you about that. And that, ultimately, is really what is wrong with making these movies that ignore historical fact. I don't mind a little fibbing for the sake of entertainment, but a movie like The Red Baron where NOTHING is true really bugs me.


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#4326466 - 01/06/17 07:21 PM Re: The most historically inaccurate war films [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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+1 Pooch

In the case of "The Red Baron" it was quite clear that the producers were aiming for a kind of conciliatory warm & fuzzy feeling which would be in line with the overall European Union outlook.


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#4326478 - 01/06/17 08:24 PM Re: The most historically inaccurate war films [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Like I said, a director's medium, subject to rewriting and the director's chosen interpretation.


You have a much higher opinion of directors than I do, I don't give them carte blanche to rewrite history however they please and then still claim their work as being representative of a historical event. If you're going to call a movie "Pearl Harbor" you should be obligated to at least try to be historically correct.


I didn't say I approve or that I have a high opinion of them, that's just how it is. I've never once had a Hollywood director (or anywhere else) ask me my opinion of what they do with their movie. LOL
I'm sure plenty of writers out there would agree with me though.


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#4326482 - 01/06/17 08:53 PM Re: The most historically inaccurate war films [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I don't mind movies that create original stories within a greater historical war. But I want them to feel authentic and realistic.

I.E. Saving Private Ryan

U571 I also enjoyed even though I knew the actual story was not true.

But then movies like Windtalkers and Red Tails don't even get watched by me. You can usually tell from the previews if it's gonna be "authentic" or not.

#4326493 - 01/06/17 09:34 PM Re: The most historically inaccurate war films [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Never heard the story of a hord of Nazis moving like Zombies to a Single demobilisied tank just to be mowed down seconds later.
Oh and the famous Tiger with the idiot commander who doesn't know how to turn the tank once the Sherman tried to pass him and the turret turned to slow.
duh

Band of Brothers. While not bad you get the overall impression they are fighting outnumbered outgunned against a superior enemy.And where was the air support? Hey we are talking 44/45 !

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If this one would have ended after 15min. It would be the best WWII movie of all time. But then it's just another movie with brainless enemis.
that let me wonder why the war wasn't won 2 weeks later.

Das Boot. Endscene fighters dropping bombs boom
The boot should have been sunk by waterbombs way earlier.

Pearl Harbour. Dogfights over Pearl Harbour, realy? Well it doesn't fit into the war movie category . It's more a love story during WWII.

Hunde wollt ihr ewig leben. Guess you guys don't know this one . It's about Stalingrad. But the most stupid scene is in the german Field hospital Someone turned on a Soviet Propaganda channel airing one single line over and over again. " Every seven seconds dies a german soldier"
Sure that wants to be heard there.

I guess i can go on. There is no single movie i found historical accurate.
Someone should hire me for Directors cut versions of all war movies. I would know what todo cut cut cut...


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No mention of Kelly's Heroes, or is that just because it's a beloved movie?
Sure, it's a heist flick, but still WWII.


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"Anzio" is pretty universally awful.

#4326518 - 01/06/17 11:01 PM Re: The most historically inaccurate war films [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I loved the Big Red 1, Memphis Belle and Where Eagles Dare.

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#4326523 - 01/06/17 11:31 PM Re: The most historically inaccurate war films [Re: ArgonV]  
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Originally Posted By: ArgonV
I loved the Big Red 1, Memphis Belle and Where Eagles Dare.

Sometimes it's enough to be entertained.


Bingo.


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#4326526 - 01/06/17 11:49 PM Re: The most historically inaccurate war films [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Pearl Harbor is the one that gets my goat. Plenty of fake action movies set in ww2. Fewer that intentionally go wacko with historical accuracy using a named historical event.

I mean sure, a few fighters did get into the air during the raid. But none had a snow balls chance in hell flying into a swarm of zeros everywhere. And then everything else about the back story made me what to throw up.

#4326548 - 01/07/17 01:51 AM Re: The most historically inaccurate war films [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Inglorious Basterds. I doubt Hitler died that way....

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Lol. It's a Tarantino film so it's safe to say that adherence to historical accuracy was never intended. I look at that film as a highly stylized comic book version of WW II.


I don't think "Behind Enemy Lines" is either but we listed it anyway!

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AS a historically accurate war film I'd like to nominate Black Hawk Down. It was pretty close to the book, even down to subtle nuances. Of course there were some fictional aspects in it like the character of Grimes.

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The Dirty Dozen just came to mind. Not necessarily accurate but a lot of fun to watch.


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Apocalypse Now.

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But who the hell cares -- its a great movie.
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#4326564 - 01/07/17 03:23 AM Re: The most historically inaccurate war films [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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One of the first war books I read was "The Eagle has Landed", buying it at a Salvation Army store when I was in grade school. Reading it I thought it would make a great movie, not knowing that it already had, finally sneaking a watch of it on the late, late show after my parents had gone to bed. Always wondered if something like that could have happened. Great cast. Will have to find it and watch it again maybe this weekend.



Question PM and guys.. was wondering what they call it when an actor gets bold print at the bottom of the poster. Larry Hagman really did have a bit part but his name is huge on the poster, compared to Treat Williams, etc. Must be because at the time "Dallas" was huge.

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"Dogfights over Pearl Harbor? Really?"

Rends, of course there were dogfights over Pearl Harbor. A USAF Historical Study credits six pilots with ten planes destroyed: 1st Lt Lewis M. Sanders (P-36) and 2nd Lts Philip M Rasmussen (P-36), Gordon H. Sterling Jr. (P-36, killed in action), Harry W. Brown (P-36), Kenneth M. Taylor (P-40, 2), and George S. Welch (P-40, 4).
And I don't think Kelly's Heroes or Inglorious Bastards should be mentioned only because they were never intentionally meant to be realistic war films. KH was a comedy and IB was a sort of parallel universe fantasy type of film.


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Battle of the Bulge just has to be the biggest turkey of all. Pathetic.


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Question PM and guys.. was wondering what they call it when an actor gets bold print at the bottom of the poster. Larry Hagman really did have a bit part but his name is huge on the poster, compared to Treat Williams, etc. Must be because at the time "Dallas" was huge.


That's calling "billing".

A prominent actor gets "Top Billing". Usually the star(s). Hagman was a "draw" as well so he also got good "billing". The end of the list ("...and SOME NAME HERE) is usually reserved for that circumstance.


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For me, the helicopter scenes in "Where Eagles Dare" do it for me.


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Question PM and guys.. was wondering what they call it when an actor gets bold print at the bottom of the poster. Larry Hagman really did have a bit part but his name is huge on the poster, compared to Treat Williams, etc. Must be because at the time "Dallas" was huge.


That's calling "billing".

A prominent actor gets "Top Billing". Usually the star(s). Hagman was a "draw" as well so he also got good "billing". The end of the list ("...and SOME NAME HERE) is usually reserved for that circumstance.


Thanks 462cid, that makes sense.

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