Skate, what you wrote sounds reasonable, although let me point you to where your story crumbles:




- I have never unleashed any profanity filled rant

just reporting some issues, replying to threads, asking legitimate questions and defending my points with supporting evidence after the attempts of ridiculing, dismissing, moving / hiding or deleting posts by some of the mods there. On a constant basis.
THAT is what, believe it or not, has got me far too many unwarranted warnings and a few bans. Certainly not the profanity, rudeness or any other similar stuff that certainly was never in any of my posts.


I'm sure 99% of the people here can totally relate to my experience. It's just dirty modding practices by some of the mods there. Admittedly you don't seem to be one of them, at least in my experience, and that's why you probably have actually no idea of what really goes on in some circumstances in that forum.

In all seriousness, I'll outright ask if I think someone will be posting continuously the same thing.

The people with the unfinished modules know that NOW, sure. Did they have that info 2-3 years ago? Hindsight is 20/20.



Nice try dude. But no dice. When you buy an Early Access product ANYWHERE ELSE, you expect it to be finished in a timely manner. Maybe a year, maybe two, but you expect it to be finished and you expect the developers to keep hammering away at the product until it's done. Why does ED get a pass on this expectation? How do you think the gaming community would react if FIFA 2014 was still in Beta and EA was now working on FIFA 2017?

Sure, we'll take responsibility for our actions, but ED also needs to take responsibility for it's decisions and you'd have to come up with a damn good argument to convince anyone that the bigger slice of the responsibility is with the consumer. It isn't, it's with the ones making and selling the product.



You own only two modules out of how many ED is selling. The KA-50 is even out of the equation as it has been "released" a long, long time ago. So all you really have is the Mi-8, and you are lucky it's a good module. Now be a good lad and imagine if you backed the WWII kickstarter. Or bought one of the other unfinished modules. Would you still have the same attitude? I bet not.



Again, sure, you know that now. Would you say you had the same conviction 3-5 years ago?



I do agree with you there! I have a love-hate relationship with the Shark...

Precedent. Your turn.


Well boo-f'n-hoo for ED. Let me ask you these questions though:
1. Did ED have to return the money to the bank or wherever?
2. Does ED not know which keys were purchased by whom, and therefore which keys are "bad" and which ones are active on legit accounts?
3. How hard is it to implement a hard cap on how many modules a certain user can purchase? Put it at 5 keys per user per day, won't that solve the hoarding problem?

None of your reasons above explain why an average user, with ONE or TWO copies of certain modules and have had NO HISTORY of fraud, is grouped with the above scammers and prevented from selling/passing his modules onto another simmer. Even if we make the assumption that your story is true, what does that have to do with the average, above-board customer of ED?



I just put some logic there, I await your logic-filled reply.

Everyone purchased their keys under the previous license agreement. At what point after the sale when ED changed the EULA did everyone agree to it and/or become bound by it?

Hmm, not sure maybe the bullsh1t "Everything is subject to change covers them on this one?"

Notice the way he totally ignored my post asking about which catagories these keys fall under

Maybe when you installed the product or played it again? Something along the lines of "if the user continues using this product after [date], they have expressly agreed to the new EULA." AFAIK, other games like War Thunder pops up a new EULA screen when they change it, not sure if this is the case with DCS?

I wonder if I've not installed or touched my DCS modules since before the EULA change, can I now get a refund from ED stating that I do not agree to the new EULA and would like my money back?

Those are very valid points. I wonder if any one from ED would like to comment on that? A finished product is one thing but releasing an "extended early access/beta" and changing the EULA before the product is finished and expecting folk to abide by it is a bit "cheaty". What happens if they change the EULa to say "if you use this product ED are entitled to your car and to move into your home"?

Absolutely

There you go with the assumptions to maintain a personal perspective.

I didnt ignore anything, I do not live on the forums, I have a life ya know.

And I wont disclose information regarding the subject anymore than already has,

the system was being exploited, harshly, so the system was locked up, and a new Gifting System is in the works,

Not an assumption , its a fact, you did not reply to the question even with a no comment
yet replied to others


The point is simple, illegally obtained keys are being grouped along with legally purchsed ones
and the end user is the one who is suffering

I don't think enyone in their right mind would argue with ED invalidating keys that have not been paid for ....
BUT people who have obtained keys that have been purchased legally that ED have been PAID FOR then being invalidated is something that doesn't sit right with me (how do the rest of you feel about this?)

Maybe you're on his ignore list?

You've made mine by now - have a great Christmas, though.

I didnt realize I had to reply to every post so you know I read it, even though I did not have an answer,

Now you sound like a jealous teen on christmas.... replied to other posts but not mine... "

Where did anyone say anything about ED or Starforce Blacklisting Legally Purchased Keys?

Leaf, I can't see any point in headbanging with the resident ED mouthpiece, he's perfected the art of answering questions without actually answering them.
Just let it go, your only going to wind yourself up and annoy the forum furniture.

This bit high lighted in BOLD

Either purchased fraudulently or purchased in large allotments during sales w/ intent to re-sell at higher price.
http://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4322117/Re:_Why_is_everyone_so_negativ#Post4322117


First part defines the illegal ones the second just bulk bought (not illegal?)

large allotments, is well over the usable amount by any one user.

And Im pretty sure the large allotments were tracked back to the sites easily.

It doesn't sit right with me either. I noticed, during the kickstarter, the DCS communities inability to find empathy with their fellow simmers. How they will thank ED for anything while trampling their peers in the rush for a new product.
Like leaf has said, ED has been paid for these keys, the ones bought legally. are they so desperate for sales that they now require customers to buy their products twice?

But not illegally bought and ED received payment.

ED is just upset that they didn't get a cut of the markup price.

Imagine if you bought a ticket for a football match and were told, on entry, sorry you can't come in because you bought this ticket from some guy, who bought the ticket legally, but bought more than he should have. You'll have to pay again.
It's capitalism.