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#4322016 - 12/21/16 09:37 AM BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying !  
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Hi all ! So much has Improved over the past few years.The Feeling of Flight is Second to none (In a Credible World).
If you MUST Nitpick, Yes, you can Find things to Whinge About !
BUT overall (INMHO) ,The Simulation of flying a YAK or F4 is not available any-where else !
The Communication from the DEVS has (most of the time) on time and they have Delivered what they said they would !
What Other Sim has given us this ?..... "Two Weeks" turns into 2 years for "Other" Sim

If you are a Passionate WW2 Simmer, TRY BOS,...Everything is coming on in Leaps and Bounds !....
Go jump in a Yak, Lagg, Mig ,PE or 109 F2,F4,G2,G4,110,ju 87 just to name a FEW.
Give it a go. You wont be sorry !
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#4322059 - 12/21/16 02:14 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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Well I think the best flight experience still is the heavy planes like the LAGG , IL 2 and the PE 2, I simply cannot wait for the HS 129 .
I like the gameplay and FM/DM in some degree compared to other sim´s. still I wish for more complexity, but knowing this is not what they aim for I have to say I am satisfied. I find myself migrating back to COD and more DCS flying to get the complexity in flight.
Yeah I believe it is worth its money, and I will buy all the extensions
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#4322060 - 12/21/16 02:14 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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#4322075 - 12/21/16 02:42 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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Say that "best feeling, best Dev's, best 'best' ... other sim suck's" don't help "win hear and minds".

I lost most of my interest in BoS due this, erh..."praise exaggerations". smile

Talk about the positives changes, for example improvements in performance and/or graphics with DirectX 11 engine, etc.

Or if that new script campaign (10$) lost (or not) that bad taste from "Unlocks" campaigns.

BTW - 1997 Warbirds online had Ju 52 + paratroopers, and those don't despawn when hit the ground. wink




#4322078 - 12/21/16 03:03 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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Holy smokes! Warbirds. Yeah, I remember those little paratroopers hitting the ground and running for the airfield. Damn that game was fun. Spent hours and hours on it. Way into the wee hours of the morning. It's the only game where I ever joined a squad and I had a blast with them.
It's all about graphics today. But that's our own fault. If a game designer has a light on the control panel that's the wrong shade of red the community is jumping all over them. But that's for another thread.
Anyway, I don't have this, but it sure is pretty. I just can't get into the Russian Front.

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#4322091 - 12/21/16 03:50 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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If there were a F2P version I might give BoS a try. O/W I know too much about the series' history to spend money on it. Not even the most fawning testimonial is going to change that.

#4322170 - 12/21/16 07:11 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: Frogyy2]  
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Originally Posted By: Frogyy2
If there were a F2P version I might give BoS a try. O/W I know too much about the series' history to spend money on it. Not even the most fawning testimonial is going to change that.

“The past or the future – where you choose to be present is up to you” – Steve Weston copter

#4322665 - 12/23/16 02:56 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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I would like to say that after being an outspoken critic of BOS for what (IMHO) I deemed its poor release quality of content, for the SP experience anyway, and 1C's almost complete disdain for what Flight Simmers expected and wanted at that time, that as of this most recent update, 2.006c, I am experiencing a real turn around in BOS.
1. Most importantly to me - A quick plug for the 2.006c patch(directx 11), my old AMD PhenomIIBE 3.4ghz with 16Gb 1600 Corsair Mem, GTX770 4Gb is now running BOS on Ultra settings at (VSync = Adaptive) 60FPS on Stalingrad burning map, all ground units on in Quick Combat with 16 plane dogfight. There are no micro stutters in my testing so far, even with TIR5 running 50 smoothing. It honestly is running smooth as butter on my old system, I can't imagine how it runs on a cutting edge system.
2. The Scripted Campaign system is now beginning its presence and there is a possibility for anyone to produce Scripted Campaigns emerging as I understand it.
3. The FM feels better than it ever has (IMHO) and they continue to revisit and revise where they find errors. The whole landing gear physics revision is a great testament to this. If you haven't tried it, you can actually land and taxi without bouncing all over the place like you are on the moon.
4. The plane set is very nicely represented for the Eastern front. Almost all of the classics are there,with BOK to bring the finishing touches next year. Then, hopefully, on to the Pacific! ---> YES!!!

As of now I have gone back on my word(which I try never to do)and purchased BOM, BOK, The Scripted Campaign and the extra planes to support them once again. I feel that finally 1C is listening to their Customers and that they will do what is possible to change and move the BOX series to what Combat Flight Simmers really want. No, BOX is not the Hardest Core Sim out there, DCS fills that slot well for us click heads(yes I love clickable cockpits yep ), but there is a lot offered in BOX now with the recent changes and hopefully the future changes. If I am wrong then I am wrong and this time around I won't be able to say a word because, "Fool me once, Shame on you, Fool me twice Shame on me!" Well, for me, I am in and I hope each of these Companies can make it and produce great Flight Sims that we can each enjoy, 1C, TFS, ED, OBD(WOFF UE)& 777(ROF).

S!Blade<>< CT

P.S. The only real problem I face right now is how to find the time to use all of these products and where to start?
BOS? BOM? WOFF UE? DCS Spit? CLOD Campaigns? ROF & PWCG? Isn't it good to have such problems? I think so!!! yep CT

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#4322720 - 12/23/16 05:01 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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I went back to BoS a few months ago when the dev team starting making moves in the right direction even before Jason was given the reins.
The SP element was always the main problem for me, but slowly things have changed to what we have now, and it's set to get even better.

With the TF news and with DCS finally getting there with the WWII aircraft and Normandy map, not to mention WoFF UE and RoF, it certainly gives us flight simmers a rosy future to look forward to!

#4322731 - 12/23/16 05:32 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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The promise of a RoF style career (not great but at least decent SP) and the fact that Jason took over changed my mind on backing the devs.

Honestly I cannot fathom how they never just released a WWII version of RoF and worked from there.

#4322912 - 12/24/16 06:46 AM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: 2005AD]  
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Originally Posted By: 2005AD
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Honestly I cannot fathom how they never just released a WWII version of RoF and worked from there.

In my books, that's exactly what they did, il2 BoX is RoF1943 in my little universe. Falls under the device "Just because you call yourself a traffic warden doesnt necessary mean you are one".
IL2 is IL2 and its latest installment is Cliffs of Dover.

#4323538 - 12/26/16 11:04 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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I have to say that after flying quite a few missions in 2.06 using PWCG I realise I made a mistake. This sim is still a very poor SP experience.

A good SP sim experience is not just about nice FMs and good graphics. It needs to have an immersive feeling and that includes a viable experience of being in an airwar. The AI needs to be believable as well and the AI in this sim are not remotely believable.

1. Flight lead just zooms off in to the distance and cannot be caught without use of emergency power.
2. None of your flight warn you of panes on your 6
3. Almost all (if not all in most missions) enemy AI end up fighting/chasing only me.
- This includes when they are badly damaged
- Are being chased and shot at by my "friends"
4. Even ground attack planes end up chasing me as if they are fighters.
5. Aircraft never seem to fly for home when badly damaged, practically every air combat just ends up with one plane left.

My most recent mission was me as last plane in a in flight of 4x 109E7. We engage 4x MiG 3s head on but every single time I re-flew the mission the same thing happened. Every single Mig flew past the rest of the 109s in my flight to get to me. So many times I tried it and ended up with every MiG chasing me even when they had a 109 on their tail. I even tried holding back a few miles to see what happened. And just as I suspected the MiGs ignored the other 109s and came straight for me.

I had been getting the same experience flying a P-40 campaign.

I honestly cannot believe AI is still so poor in 2016 even after the exact same issues were reported and eventually fixed in the original IL2 15 years ago.

Sorry OP, this sim is not remotely worth a look if you are only interested in SP. It's a frustrating and unrewarding single player experience.

If the devs ever tackle the AI issues and add decent in game radio commands then I may change my mind. Unfortunately judging by the posts I have read from the devs stating AI is perfect I don't think we will see any improvements.

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#4323592 - 12/27/16 07:15 AM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: Sokol1]  
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Originally Posted By: Sokol1
Say that "best feeling, best Dev's, best 'best' ... other sim suck's" don't help "win hear and minds".

I lost most of my interest in BoS due this, erh..."praise exaggerations". smile

Talk about the positives changes, for example improvements in performance and/or graphics with DirectX 11 engine, etc.

Or if that new script campaign (10$) lost (or not) that bad taste from "Unlocks" campaigns.

BTW - 1997 Warbirds online had Ju 52 + paratroopers, and those don't despawn when hit the ground. wink

Hey Sokol, Idont know what Bee you got up your Bum ? You want to go back to 1997 to Prove it was done Better ?
Sucks, "praise Exaggerations" Unlocks are All you words .not mine !
I like where BOS is Heading. That is MY Opinion and if YOU don't agree, you know what you can do !
Sure, BOS aint perfect(especially AI ),but (IMHO) it has come along in leaps and bounds !
That is my opinion(If that is OK with Sokol)!
~S~



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#4323602 - 12/27/16 09:08 AM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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Originally Posted By: jaydee

Hey Sokol, Idont know what Bee you got up your Bum ? You want to go back to 1997 to Prove it was done Better ?
Sucks, "praise Exaggerations" Unlocks are All you words .not mine !
I like where BOS is Heading. That is MY Opinion and if YOU don't agree, you know what you can do !
Sure, BOS aint perfect(especially AI ),but (IMHO) it has come along in leaps and bounds !
That is my opinion(If that is OK with Sokol)!
~S~


No need for that IMO, Sokol was pretty spot on and probably prefer the detailed opinions like 2005AD listed above.
In all honesty, it is far easier to make a picture of the current status of BoX reading 2005AD compared to "Praise" statements like Sokol says.

(and no, no bees up here in Sweden, to friggin cold for that)

#4323606 - 12/27/16 09:38 AM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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Hey Oden, No Need for that Imho . Sokol was SPOT ON about WHAT ? Are you Part of RENT A Crowd?
When is the last time YOU FLEW BOS ?
Are you just a Perpetual Whinger in Life ?


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#4323621 - 12/27/16 11:40 AM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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We know your posts are trolling. It's happened before.
What has BoS done to foster such a 50cent brigate culture it is disgusting.
Plz go back to ur daddy Jason's place and tell them we still dont like your stuff here. BoX so far is rotten. And no matter how many troll posts u make it aint gonna change. Rather it really looks worse when one sees a community behaving like this.
To sum it up: War thunde much?

And yeah, graphics sells games, but good AI is one of those that improves customer satisfactions after sale. This is what a game businessman told me. However after reading about bad AI, will i still buy it due good looks... Negative.

BoK might give a 2nd chance. Im not holding me breath.

/me walks away spitting to the ground to get rid of this bad taste

#4323622 - 12/27/16 11:44 AM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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It is worth noting that BoS has changed massively since it was released - and not everyone looks for the same thing in singleplayer - if you want to crap on it, please state what you prefer instead, so that others can judge.

#4323623 - 12/27/16 11:48 AM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: Schwalbe]  
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Originally Posted By: Schwalbe

And yeah, graphics sells games, but good AI is one of those that improves customer satisfactions after sale.


Interesting, I've read that BoB2:WoV had the best AI and single-player ever, but I don't believe it's that popular.

I own a copy, but I've never been able to get it to run smoothly and in terms of flight model and avionics, it's a child of its time.

#4323675 - 12/27/16 03:06 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: Schwalbe]  
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Originally Posted By: Schwalbe
What has BoS done to foster such a 50cent brigade culture


Well said

#4323677 - 12/27/16 03:06 PM Re: BOS is worth a Second Look IF you want WW2 Flying ! [Re: jaydee]  
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Well I was a huge critic in the past, and had not even updated my BOS install in over a year - until this morning.

With the change of direction of BOS, more focus on the SP aspect of the sim, and especially with the recent announcement regarding TF and Cliffs of Dover, I am fully supporting BOS again. Purchased BOM Premium and pre-ordered BOK Premium.
Some very good times ahead for us WWII simmers!


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