#4319797 - 12/14/16 04:06 PM
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The top Intel CPUs are always a joke. You don't get what you pay for, you get 10% more for 300% the price. Only suckers buy those.
The sweet spot has always been in the $300-$400 range. I bought an i7-2600K for that within a month of release and it lasted me for years. I finally replaced it recently with an i7-6700k for about the same price and I suspect it will also last years--GPUs and storage are the bottlenecks now, not the CPU or RAM. I might have been able to get away with using the 2600k still if I'd been more aggressive in OC'ing it.
Synthetic benchmarks are useless. When they showed things like Haswell doing better than Sandy Bridge, yet using it in actual games resulted in improvements that fit within the margin of error for the benchmarks, I both double-flipped off and mooned every synth benchmark in existence and vowed to never again give an ounce of credit or respect to any of them.
A new CPU needs to be tested against an entire suite of games, from FPS to strategy to sims on the air and ground to get a good idea of its actual worth. Unfortunately, previews are not that.
The Jedi Master I'm with a 3570k@4,1ghz the last 4 years and don't feel the need to change the CPU, just updating the GPUs and everything is fine. This chip is so good that will probably wait intel to release their 2nd or 3rd generation quantum-based CPU before upgrading.
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#4319805 - 12/14/16 04:34 PM
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Im Hoping the RYZEN will last me at least 6+ Years...
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#4320120 - 12/15/16 07:13 PM
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A note for Intel Fans regarding the I7-7700K overheat issue: It seems solvable. ...Intel Core i7-7700K High Temperatures Could Be Caused By Poor TIM – Temps Improve After Delidding
The forum member who goes by the name of “RichUK” managed to acquire a retail sample of the Intel Core i7 7700K processor. Several overclock runs were posted and the user went as far to delid the chip and apply new TIM (Thermal Interface Material). The results are shocking as it may proof that Intel has once again used poor quality TIM on their processors... The I7-7700K will arrive in January (it is said). I assume some SimHQ folks will buy one. If one is into overclocking, hopefully the article will provide some help. Article
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#4320146 - 12/15/16 07:46 PM
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dunno why they still use TIM Goo...
There are so many better options now w/ non-electrically conductive metals that high a crazy high thermal conductivity.
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#4320535 - 12/16/16 09:39 PM
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AMD continues to show "competitive" products for next year. AMD’s Vega Cube Is A 4×3 Inch 100 TFLOPS Monster – Meet The Mini-Nuke Of Supercomputers
..A small, 4×3 inch, quad GPU cube with one hundred TERAFLOPS of FP16 compute and half that in FP32. To put that figure into perspective, Nvidia’s liquid cooled Drive PX2 AI supercomputer for autonomous, driverless, cars delivers 16 TFLOPS of FP32 compute and 8 TFLOPS of FP16 compute. That’s less than one sixth of what the Vega cube is capable of. And while the [Nvidia] Drive PX2 is a large box meant to go inside the trunk of a car, the [AMD] Vega cube [literally] fits into the palm your hand.. Article
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#4320743 - 12/17/16 04:55 PM
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#4320749 - 12/17/16 05:30 PM
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Since I have Blender 2.78a installed for creating game modifications, I gave it three runs. Ryzen 8core/16thread CPU at 3.4GHz was more than 3 times as fast as my FX9590 8core/8thread at 4.7GHz. Windows 10 task manager indicated nothing running in the background -- but, something might have been going on that task manager did not report.
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#4320835 - 12/18/16 12:11 AM
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Ryzen has updated Extensions.
I had about the same, Ryzen Stomped my 5.31 GHz Score by more than 3.4x
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#4320918 - 12/18/16 11:48 AM
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On the competition front, Nvidia is readying its "answer" to Vega for release in the same time frame as Vega (which we all expected Nvidia to do): NVIDIA Confirms GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Pascal Enthusiast 4K Graphics Card – GTX 980 Ti Owners First To Avail Pre-Order or “Step Up” Offers The rumor/leak article indicates (to my reading) that FPS (in DX11, 12) will probably be the main target -- possibly, as usual for Nvidia, at the expense of some more forward looking features like Vulcan and Compute support. So, Vega may be a more "rounded" product able to do many (not necessarily all) of the things one expects from a modern graphics card just a little better than the Nvidia product -- we'll see. The article indicates the Vega vs GTX1080Ti battle may come down to price and who gets to market first (and, of course, "fandom" ). Competition is good Article
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#4321306 - 12/19/16 02:45 PM
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I will say that after 30 years of gaming and being in the business, I still don't give a damn what it can do beyond gaming. The Jedi Master
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#4321331 - 12/19/16 03:08 PM
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... AMD RYZEN ZEN Based CPU Score in Cinebench R15:
In Cinebench R15 benchmark, the AMD RYZEN chip scored 1188 cb points in the CPU rendering test. The Core i7-7700K scores 966 points at stock and 1083 points when overclocked to 5 GHz as seen in the latest leaked benchmarks. The Core i7-6900K processor scores up to 1500 cb points while the Core i7-6950X flagship CPU scores beyond 1800 cb points at stock clocks. [My 8core/8thread FX9590 at 4.7GHz scored 722]
AMD RYZEN ZEN Based CPU Score in Fritz Chess Benchmark:
In Fritz Chess benchmark, the chip scores a relative score of 36.86 points and 17693 Kilo Nodes per second. Intel’s Broadwell-E processors such as the Core i7-6900K score 22500 points in the same benchmark with the top 10 core [20 thread] Core i7-6950X scoring more than 24000 points. The relative speed was not available for the Intel processors. ...
Ryzen benchmarks wherein Ryzen scores a bit less than Intel counterparts. Thing is, some benchmarks use compilers that favor Intel architecture -- sometimes dramatically. Moreover, the exact test conditions were not spelled out and the CPUs were NOT tested "Head to Head". Rather, Ryzen data was compared to Intel data from other sources -- that may have been obtained under different conditions. Thus, things may change with some other benchmarks from other testers and "head to head" testing. On the other hand, I won't be shocked if Intel wins many -- I merely expect the AMD scores to be "much more competitive" than they used to be.
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#4321416 - 12/19/16 05:12 PM
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On the competition front, Nvidia is readying its "answer" to Vega for release in the same time frame as Vega (which we all expected Nvidia to do): NVIDIA Confirms GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Pascal Enthusiast 4K Graphics Card – GTX 980 Ti Owners First To Avail Pre-Order or “Step Up” Offers The rumor/leak article indicates (to my reading) that FPS (in DX11, 12) will probably be the main target -- possibly, as usual for Nvidia, at the expense of some more forward looking features like Vulcan and Compute support. So, Vega may be a more "rounded" product able to do many (not necessarily all) of the things one expects from a modern graphics card just a little better than the Nvidia product -- we'll see. The article indicates the Vega vs GTX1080Ti battle may come down to price and who gets to market first (and, of course, "fandom" ). Competition is good Article lol, Pretty sure I called a 1080 Ti long ago, now 1080 and titan owners will feel some type of way because their purchase is now either overpriced or underperforming, or both.
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#4321541 - 12/19/16 09:34 PM
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As does anyone who buys something and then waits 6 months.
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#4322042 - 12/21/16 12:21 PM
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Vega architecture will bring multiple cards
Not just at the high end
[Rumor] Vega architecture will be introduced into the complete range of AMD's graphics cards. Our knowledgeable industry friends have told us that you can expect top to bottom designs based on Vega architecture arriving soon..
..Nvidia .. is not sleeping and is working on its 2017 line-up. The article has no added info beyond repeating the above in different ways. Article
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#4322167 - 12/21/16 06:54 PM
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... Exclusive [Rumor]: AMD’s flagship Vega 10 powered RX 490 Graphics Card and Entry Level Polaris 12 GPU receive RRA certification
The RX 490 will be AMD’s 4K ready flagship that will be taking on the GTX 1080 at a (probably) similar price point. It is going to be the crown jewel in AMD’s RX lineup..
..The certification also marks the final stages of the design of a particular GPU (no changes can be made after this certification is received)...
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#4322492 - 12/22/16 08:03 PM
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Another site repeated the rumor that Vega GPUs will be a complete end-to-end lineup of cards (not just high-end). They added this note from and AMD representative -- regarding memory used in GPUs. [From:] Robert Hallock, Technical Marketing lead at AMD
“AMD helped lead the development of HBM, was the first to bring HBM to market in GPUs, and plans to implement HBM/HBM2 in future graphics solutions.
At this time we have only publicly demonstrated a GDDR5 configuration of the Polaris architecture.It’s important to understand that HBM isn’t (currently) suitable for all GPU segments due to the current HBM cost structure. In the mainstream GPU segment, GDDR5 remains an extremely cost-effective, efficient and viable memory technology.
We have the flexibility to use HBM or GDDR5 as costs require. Certain market segments are cost sensitive, GDDR5 can be used there. Higher-end market segments where more cost can be afforded, HBM is viable as well.”
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#4323219 - 12/25/16 01:36 PM
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Merry Christmas to those who celebrate Christmas. Happy Holidays to the rest of you. I told my wife to buy me nothing. I woke up this morning and got -- nothing But, I await Ryzen -- and save the Christmas cash for that. First AMD Ryzen Review Leaked This first leak article tested several real world applications -- and up to date games. BUT, with a Zen engineering sample running at 3.15GHz versus the AMD claimed 3.4GHz minimum of the real Consumer Ryzen. So, the exact results don't mean much. However, Zen did much much better than current AMD FX8370 running at full speed. Doing a little math on the results, Ryzen may turn out to be slightly more competitive than I expected -- not the fastest -- but competitive in games -- and very special in non-game high-end threaded applications.
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#4323587 - 12/27/16 04:37 AM
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[Rumor] Intel Is Reportedly Working On A Brand New Implementation of The x86 Architecture: One That Is Much Faster and Leaner
The grapevine has been buzzing with something that is pretty huge as far as developments in this industry go. According to Bitsandchips.it, Intel has started working on a brand new x86 architecture..
..backward compatibility is no longer assured..
..we can expect the brand new x86 implementation to land by 2020 approximately... Intel may be planning to "break" the X86 CPU architecture -- ass-u-me-ing this rumor is true as stated. I remember (back in the day) when IBM had a very successful PC and had a very successful motherboard (like Intel has the PC CPU design locked up). BUT, other folks were copying the motherboard. So, IBM went with a "proprietary" design that was "not backward compatible" -- figured they would "corner the market". However, that killed IBM because the industry said to IBM -- stuff it, we won't use your new design. So, the industry continued along WITHOUT IBM. IBM lost big. Could Intel suffer the same fate?? Tune in in 2020 and see Actually, the article thinks "incompatibility" will only affect a few things -- no big deal. Competition is good
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#4323697 - 12/27/16 04:01 PM
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Intel said that about the Pentium 4's.. And they Ditched them for Core Series quicker than AMD Ditched their CMT designs
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