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#4317544 - 12/05/16 08:05 PM All your keys are belong to us  
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Anyone else notice the new blurb on the advertising tab on DCS today?

Warnings about buying cheap keys ...



Ferengi Rule of acquisition #1 Once you have their money ... never give it back.

Inline advert (2nd and 3rd post)

#4317549 - 12/05/16 08:33 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Originally Posted By: leaf_on_the_wind
Anyone else notice the new blurb on the advertising tab on DCS today?

Warnings about buying cheap keys ...


It's a warning about buying Illegally Distributed / Reseller Keys.


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#4317555 - 12/05/16 08:50 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Is there a warning about buying unfinished modules as well ?

#4317557 - 12/05/16 08:57 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Yes, it called 'These are in Beta'.


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#4317562 - 12/05/16 09:09 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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I didn't even know this was a thing.



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#4317564 - 12/05/16 09:12 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Originally Posted By: GrayGhost
Yes, it called 'These are in Beta'.

..... And will be finished in a few years



Ferengi Rule of acquisition #1 Once you have their money ... never give it back.

#4317578 - 12/05/16 09:57 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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It would be great if there was a fixed beta period.

We're usually given a time frame for a product to go into early access/alpha/beta.

Then we're usually given multiple extensions until it happens. smile

However, once it does there is no standard. I don't care if it's 2 months, 6, or even a year, but there should be some sort of expectation that a product will only be available for use before final release for a fixed period of time.

If it's out for 2+ years before final, the question becomes why was it released so early? If the "final" release consists of minor bug fixes that would otherwise necessitate a mere third digit increment (ie 1.5.4 was beta and 1.5.5 is release), then final release could've been earlier, like maybe 1.5.0?

If you're going to use industry standard terms, then use industry standard definitions and practices for what that means. Otherwise, just come up with your own.




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#4317583 - 12/05/16 10:15 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Beta = We have your money, why the hell do we need to finish it? Much easier to come up with excuses / delaying tactics / fobbing off, and post pretty screenshots of other betas you will buy that will also never get finished.

repeat.

#4317586 - 12/05/16 10:19 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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You can only p1ss on my back so many times and tell me its raining ....


Sadly some people ........ they cant get enough of the gold shower from ED



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#4317587 - 12/05/16 10:20 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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I purchased all my keys in North Korea.

#4317596 - 12/05/16 11:07 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss
I purchased all my keys in North Korea.


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#4317598 - 12/05/16 11:11 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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#4317785 - 12/06/16 04:42 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Well it's worth noting they stopped using industry standard terms a couple of months ago (not that anyone in today's PC gaming industry uses them correctly anyway, not sure about console gaming one) and now they strictly use a term "Early Access" which can (and does) mean anything.

#4317821 - 12/06/16 05:50 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
It would be great if there was a fixed beta period.

We're usually given a time frame for a product to go into early access/alpha/beta.

Then we're usually given multiple extensions until it happens. smile

However, once it does there is no standard. I don't care if it's 2 months, 6, or even a year, but there should be some sort of expectation that a product will only be available for use before final release for a fixed period of time.

If it's out for 2+ years before final, the question becomes why was it released so early? If the "final" release consists of minor bug fixes that would otherwise necessitate a mere third digit increment (ie 1.5.4 was beta and 1.5.5 is release), then final release could've been earlier, like maybe 1.5.0?

If you're going to use industry standard terms, then use industry standard definitions and practices for what that means. Otherwise, just come up with your own.

The Jedi Master


The MI-8 just hit release this month. It was in "early access" for about 3&1/2 years.

That's a tad long IMO.


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#4317833 - 12/06/16 06:13 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: Force10]  
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Originally Posted By: Force10


The MI-8 just hit release this month. It was in "early access" for about 3&1/2 years.

That's a tad long IMO.



And does it (the release version of Mi-8) have door gunners?

#4317886 - 12/06/16 08:43 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Oh, Force, It wasn't THAT long.... "only" 3 years 2 months and 6 days, as someone on the blue forum calculated (correctly I hope) biggrin biggrin biggrin.

Anyway, it does have a left side door gunner with KORD mg (can be operated by both AI and player) and right clamshell door gunner with PKT mg (AI only). And it finally has a freakin' 430 pages long ENG manual at last.

#4317894 - 12/06/16 09:38 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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You guys are doing a hell of a job of convincing me not to reinstall DCS now that I just got my gaming rig back from Dell's repair depot.


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#4317921 - 12/06/16 11:34 PM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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#4317954 - 12/07/16 03:24 AM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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I bought my A-10C key from a 3rd party site. Cant recall now, but will check upon returning home on Friday. I'll be pissed if it's one of the ones banned. I didnt get a huge discount, but better than ED's "deals".

#4317992 - 12/07/16 10:21 AM Re: All your keys are belong to us [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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I'm (honestly) not sure I get it.

If I buy a car, I am the owner of that car right? That means I can sell that car if I want.

OK

If I buy a good ol' PC game on a CD, I am the owner of that CD and I can equally sell it right? I've done that before and I'm pretty sure I didn't break any law or contract or EULA.


So, what's the deal with DCS? I bought the product "DCS: A-10C", which nowadays comes as a download rather than on CD, but the form doesn't change what it is: an installer with a Key. That key is bound to my name, just as I had to put my name when installing MS Office 1997. So, I am the owner of that key. What law, contract or EULA am I breaking if I decide to sell it to my friend?

Is ED saying that we buy from them a non-transferrable good?

Thanks

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