I have little left in the way of optimism. For this or anything in existence.

Last thing I bought early was NTTR, and that was out of desperation for ANYTHING not Black Sea-related. Hasn't really lived up to that yet.



The Jedi Master

There's always a little bit of optimism.... I guess that's why I've not sold off my modules.

All this nostalgia and complaining is making me feel old.
Especially after seeing mention of the early Su-27 Flanker.
God dam I loved that sim..

Then I made this because memberries.

I member

I member too!

Member Jawas? Member the cantina?



The Jedi Master

So another new campaign.....no problem with that and I wish the author all the best.......however the latest patch has had to add support for it!

How about ED focus on getting the core engine sorted and the builds merged. This whole thing is turning into an absolute circus.

The latest newsletter (received today) doesn't even have a single mention of any progress whatsoever. Campaign news and more sale bundles only.

One thing that annoys me about this is that the base modules should each come with a campaign as standard.

I have no problem with people building and selling campaigns, in order to expand the game. I know that it is a lot of hard and tedious work and the Authors well deserve there recompense. Heck i've even bought a few of the DLC Campaigns as I play SP exclusively.
But the fact remains that I pay $40:00 for an aircraft with nothing to do in it.
OK I can fly around and learn the systems then what? I have to pay another $10:00 for a campaign to fly the aircraft in!
I believe ALL modules should come with at least one campaign so people like me have something to do other than sight see around the caucasus and Las vegas.
Can you imagine if sims like Janes or Falcon 4.0 or EECH or any other sim you care to mention for the last 3 decades came with content this thin?
I dont think they would be touted as the classics they are today.

Thats my 2 cents so i'll go back in my box now

SD

Oh and JBRKING I member

Really? Where is this documented?



Coming up next: Paying extra for FM.
Then after that: $2 for 10 LGBs.
Then after that: Ask a friend for help and get +1,000lbs fuel (just like in Facebook!)

First line in the change log

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4315154/DCS:_World_2.0.4_Update_1#Post4315154

You'll also notice that every single entry in that update has absolutely nothing to do with the current 'top priorities' of development.....those being the spit, Normandy map, NTTR and the 2.5 merge.

I see... I wasn't really paying attention to that. I wish I hadn't.


What is that about? The Gazelle would not work in 2.0.3?



What? So at some time, smoke trails were behind aircraft and missiles, then after a patch, they appear IN FRONT of aircraft and missiles?

Are these two more examples of ED "breaking" things that were previously working, and then having to fix them again at a later patch?

Ice stop doing that, you are doing some smart questions! This is not supposed to happen, you should shut up, worship ED and open your wallet

I guess this is what happens when you work, IMO stupidly, on 3 versions at the same time and two of them will become obsolete.

Campaign after campaign, flight model aside, everything feels just like 10 years ago. Awful war atmosphere and buggy as hell.

I'm sorry that logic and common sense seems to annoy some people here...

I think it's obvious at this point that a new campaign requiring a patch is a major shortcoming of the current design.

In other words, it's just a scripted campaign, WTF does it need an update for? It shouldn't. If it didn't, they could dump out a campaign every day and it wouldn't impact anything else.



The Jedi Master

Same as old tutorial/training missions. They're technically scripted missions, and a campaign is just a string of scripted missions. Why do patches break these training missions? Because ED, that's why.

That is not correct. Patches break old missions, because ED develops/enhances the scripting
engine. Usually old missions have to be loaded and saved again to solve problems.

I think even Falcon/BMS have some incompatible missions/campaigns over the last 15 years.

The support for a campaign is IMHO more a DRM thing (show the campaign in the module manager).

I said "patches break training missions," so my statement **IS** correct. You just said "no" but then repeated what I said.
Also, training missions used to get borked for **EACH** patch. ED develops/enhances the scripting engine with each patch? Really?



Maybe now, but ages ago, we'd have to wait for "fixed" ones from ED. Regardless, that was not the point I was trying to make.



Sure, the missions from 15 years ago won't work. Why would you expect it to be? Strawman argument there. Will LOMAC missions work in DCS World?
4.32 missions need to be loaded and saved in 4.33 for them to work in 4.33, but all 4.32 missions worked in 4.32 from Update 0 to Update 7. All 4.33 missions work in 4.33 from Update 0 to Update 2. Patching BMS does not break their missions.



Really? Source?

You've said ED is the culprit because it is ED. And i said even BMS has these
hickups with their updates. We could not continue our campaign after the
U2 upgrade (not that it was a problem, really).



I never said i would expect it.



Do they? I haven't tried. Maybe with some work ...



DCS changelog.
They need to integrate the campaigns into their DRM "module",
but I've found no patch with anything but bugfixes for campaign missions.
Maybe you can show me any changes for a paid campaign?

So? What's your point?



Continuing a campaign because you suspect U2 broke it vs. TRAINING MISSIONS (think TE) being broken after a patch are two different things entirely.

Do note that I am aware BMS campaigns can go berserk for whatever reason... not like that game does not have it's flaws. However, the topic here is WORKING missions that get borked after an update. I'd like to compare campaigns but I've jumped ED ship before campaigns became a thing.... but still, seems like the common expectation is that ED campaigns will be borked once 2.5 comes out. Not an unreasonable expectation...



So you just said "I think even Falcon/BMS have some incompatible missions/campaigns over the last 15 years" for no reason or no point at all? Why bring it up then? What's your point?



Well, you bring up the issue of BMS missions not working over the last 15 years, only fair to bring up the issue of whether LOMAC misisons will work.



Why should I show you any changes? You're the one making a claim about it being a DRM thing.

As for the changelog, boy, that's some interesting reading:
From DCS 2.0.4 changelog
Known issues: DCS Gazelle not working, will be fixed soon - Nice!
MP. Added keyboard shortcut (F5) to refresh a list of servers in the lobby - Groundbreaking!
Simulation ESC menu. Added Quit to Desktop button - OMG, really?
Playable aircraft will not explode when reach negative altitude - Well, so much for Sobek's claim that FM is derived from flight surface deflection. Apparently, if you're lucky enough to find a canyon below sea level (or your altimeter is set wrong?), your aircraft will explode even when you've not hit anything? Wow! Much fidelity, so accuracy!
Name of airfields in the radio menu corrected - This is another one of those things that confuse me. Were they wrong from the start? If so, it takes this long to correct it? If they weren't wrong from the start, why would they get borked mid-cycle? Yet another one of those "fix one thing, break 5 others"?
Added support of the new F-5E Aggressors Basic Fighter Maneuvers Campaign by Maple Flag - Where does it say DRM?

I'll never understand how you can devote so much of your time to something you so obviously dislike.