#4306439 - 10/26/16 11:36 AM
Re: Love My New Home Defense Weapon
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thanks ! I have several co-workers who are ex-police and they recommended turkey shot to me instead of buckshot. I also was going to buy buckshot but they said i would get better spread with turkey shot and without necessarily killing them. Not disagreeing with any of you just saying that's what i was told. But since its a double barrel i could always load 5 shot in one and buckshot in the other
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#4306440 - 10/26/16 11:42 AM
Re: Love My New Home Defense Weapon
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LOL...just want to wing them. Got news for you Hag, if you feel threatened enough to fire a shotgun at someone you had better kill them. Unless you are being attacked by Turkey Lives Matter Birds.
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#4306470 - 10/26/16 01:10 PM
Re: Love My New Home Defense Weapon
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Yea I'll use the small box of 5's i got at the outdoor range and I'll get the box you recommended, thanks Bill
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#4306495 - 10/26/16 01:51 PM
Re: Love My New Home Defense Weapon
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Federal Flight Control No. 1 Buckshot - The one to use for Self Defense.
At 20 yards, the Flight Control has a pattern no larger than a GOLF BALL. Conversely, the 00 shot is in a 1 foot pattern.
Beyond that, it is not so great. But then, most people aren't going to shoot over 75' distances in their home. I agree with all that. It just made me think of every argument I've ever had over loads with folks, or for that matter, practice distances with carry guns. "Why are you shooting so close?" "That's 12 yards. Here I'll move it to more realistic distance if that makes you happy." "You moved it closer!" "That's 7 yards. I dont know about you, but I'm pretty sure the average mugging/robbery/assault or anything where I'd be justified shooting anyone takes place a lot closer than 36'."
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#4306642 - 10/26/16 09:40 PM
Re: Love My New Home Defense Weapon
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LOL...just want to wing them. Got news for you Hag, if you feel threatened enough to fire a shotgun at someone you had better kill them. Unless you are being attacked by Turkey Lives Matter Birds. This was my first thought as well. You open yourself up to civil lawsuits if you dont shoot to kill. The reasoning is that you didnt feel your life was in danger else you would have used a gun that actually had a change to kill. So you specifically shot them to wound them instead of resolving the issue. (not saying that is right but thats the general thought behind it.) SO... 10ga slugs it is!
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#4306660 - 10/26/16 10:42 PM
Re: Love My New Home Defense Weapon
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LOL...just want to wing them. Got news for you Hag, if you feel threatened enough to fire a shotgun at someone you had better kill them. Unless you are being attacked by Turkey Lives Matter Birds. This was my first thought as well. You open yourself up to civil lawsuits if you dont shoot to kill. The reasoning is that you didnt feel your life was in danger else you would have used a gun that actually had a change to kill. So you specifically shot them to wound them instead of resolving the issue. (not saying that is right but thats the general thought behind it.) SO... 10ga slugs it is! If you shoot a firearm at someone, you are looking at a possible civil suit regardless. The possible exception being in a state such as Florida that has a law protecting you from a civil suit if the shooting was determined to be justifiable self defense during a criminal investigation/trial. Where intentionally shooting to wound (and letting it be known that was what you were attempting) opens a door that you don't want opened is in a criminal trial. You utilized potentially lethal force when (by implication) you apparently had not concluded that you were in danger of death or grave bodily injury. Folks... when you are shooting in lawful self defense, you are not shooting to wound, and you are not shooting to kill. You are shooting to stop the threat of death or grave bodily injury. Burn that into your minds. If the attacker happens to die as a result... well, the attacker should have made a better choice.
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#4306825 - 10/27/16 02:56 PM
Re: Love My New Home Defense Weapon
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Birdshot? You're safer just not having a shotgun in the house.
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#4306829 - 10/27/16 03:28 PM
Re: Love My New Home Defense Weapon
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i dunno, maybe it depends on each person, but in the tests i did i was consistently more accurate (though maybe slightly slower) with the laser than without it. the test i did was to run 1KM as fast as i could, uphill, get the shotgun off my back, spin around a few times with my eyes closed then take a shot at a target i had set up on a tree. maybe it sounds ridiculous but i think that the extreme heart pounding and the dizziness simulate a massive adrenaline dump fairly well. it was also freezing cold when i did this, without gloves, so i figure i lost a lot of finger dexterity as well. without the laser i had a lot more shots hitting the fringes of the target rather than the center of it. with the laser i don't think i missed even one time. laser also has the benefit of letting you fire from the hip rather than through the sights. even at close range without sighting a target, a hit is not a guarantee - someone at the end of a hallway is just small enough to be missed by a panicky quick shot. just my opinion tho! I'm not a big fan of the FliteControl buckshot out of a hunting context or a last resort for a shotgun that patterns horribly.
IMO you want something that starts to open up evenly at a range where a little margin for error starts to become welcome.
Granted, home defense distances are likely to be too close for that to happen with any buckshot, but if that's the case why use expensive FliteControl when even the cheapest stuff will do?
I'm also not convinced that a laser sight is needed on a shotgun unless maybe conditions are such that you can't see your gun well enough for a visual reference.
Lasers are distracting and shotguns using shot are meant to "pointed" moreso than aimed, as in once you properly mount it, it should shoot where you're looking at without having to worry too much about a sight picture.
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#4306837 - 10/27/16 03:50 PM
Re: Love My New Home Defense Weapon
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The gun industry is highly dependent on selling things people think they need (like any sporting industry) so if it looks cool to you more power to you. That being said to rely on it as your primary aiming method is to use a crutch to make up for a lack of skill, plain and simple.
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#4306840 - 10/27/16 04:06 PM
Re: Love My New Home Defense Weapon
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The gun industry is highly dependent on selling things people think they need .....(edit). Yep, I'm sure we all have those type of weapons..... As for the 'coach gun'....I would have preferred it with 18" bbls. 20" just seems an odd length, to me. Too long to move around, and too short for distance. 18" would be a nice length for close up, for me. I've hit several bears with rubber sabots at well over 25 yds with an 18" pump. Isn't the standard 'coach gun' equipped with 18" barrels.
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