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#4296376 - 09/15/16 02:47 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Analysts say a bunch of stuff to try and sway stock prices, lol.

Intel's IPC has been flat lined or slightly lower the last 3 new Architectures, I doubt all of a sudden then get a 15% boost out of no where.


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#4296379 - 09/15/16 02:48 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: Allen]  
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I will never, NEVER, play a game without some form of FSAA ever again...


I wondered if the no FSAA in the tests might bother some folks smile

Personally, I never use FSAA (one exception where I turned it on by default when selecting Ultimate settings for a game).

Historically, once we got to 1080p, I always set AA to 0 -- makes the game "blurry" to my eyes on a "good eyes" day (normal monitor at about 30 inches view distance). Occasionally 20/15 vision at computer distance on a very, very "good eyes" day. On the other hand, dry eye can somewhat cloud things at other times -- so AA is unnecessary biggrin

It has occurred to me that others may see things clearer and have faster eye response than I have. So, they may prefer AA and higher frame rates than are okay for me. Thus, from time to time, I mention that I use 0AA and mention that 30fps looks smooth to me -- so folks understand where I'm coming from when I say something "looks good" and "plays smooth".

In summary, yes, I agree. Giving the FPS both with and without AA seems relevant. thumbsup

I actually do wonder if the different forms of AA now available and the different AA algorithms used by AMD and Nvidia makes a fair/true "1 to 1" comparison more difficult -- so they just skip AA at times.



I haven't Run MSAA in a while, VSR at 1440p (for Eyefinity) or 4K downsampling to my 1080p screen works better for me.


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Depends on the title and the method used. Some need serious help, some do better with this combination, some do better with another.

However, rule of thumb is at native monitor res most games look like a computer picture unless you work the MSAA/FXAA/rendering tricks.




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#4296665 - 09/16/16 10:58 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Depends on the title .. Some need serious help...


A good point.

Nearly always I'm playing one of the games known for the better graphics. On top of that, where feasible, I normally add 3'd party high resolution textures (or frequently, I make them myself -- I like to mod games).

So, whereas a normal game's normal texture might be 512x512 pixels or 1024x1024, I could be running up to 4096x4096 (which my RX480 handles well). I also incorporate a few higher detail 3'd party 3D models in some rare cases (e.g. Skyrim).

Why do I do it -- so I won't see the pixels -- or faceted versions of nominally smooth objects.

Dummy me -- sometimes (not most games) I do use FSAA in a sense. Just been doing it so many years its second nature and I don't think about it smile


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#4297411 - 09/19/16 11:02 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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...Socket AM4'.. has 1331 pins which is a big boost on the 942 pins supported by AMD's AM3+ socket..

..The new AM4 socket is the same 40mm [size] as previous AMD sockets - it is unclear though what is happening to the CPU cooler compatibility...




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Here is the Intel Roadmap for comparison to AMD oriented statements in this thread.

Interesting that AMD and Intel will be competing at 14nm for at least a year.

And, Intel is "limited" to 6 cores/12 threads while AMD is pushing for 8 cores/16 threads in that period. We'll see.



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...Socket AM4'.. has 1331 pins which is a big boost on the 942 pins supported by AMD's AM3+ socket..

..The new AM4 socket is the same 40mm [size] as previous AMD sockets - it is unclear though what is happening to the CPU cooler compatibility...




If only they Zoomed out so we can see the retention bracket.,

AMD Did say the increased number of PCB Traces forced them to make changes to the cooler retention system, so
AM2/AM3/AM3+ Coolers will not fit.

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Vega 10 is coming next year and it seems that it will be faster than the P100 card. P100 (21.2 TFlops) is a supercomputer part .. with 24Tflops, Vega 10 will significantly outperform Geforce Titan X.


As of today's rumored leaks, the top Vega GPU is rumored to be the fastest future GPU currently known about. Speculated to beat Nvidia's best upcoming parts.

We all know Nvidia will react with something faster smile

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TFLOPs doesnt translate equally to FPS.


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AMD Zen+, Vega 20 & Navi GPUs To Be Built On 7nm FinFET Globalfoundries Announces Risk Production For 2018
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AMD Expects To Have 7nm FinFET Zen+, Vega 20 & Navi Products On Shelves Before 2020

..This announcement comes off the heels of AMDs recently amended wafer supply agreement with Globalfoundries, its biggest foundry partner. Which spans five years from 2016 to 2020 and includes a clause guaranteeing collaboration between the two companies on the development of 7nm FinFET. This indicates that AMD has clear plans to migrate its computing and graphics roadmap to 7nm and have products produced on the process out by 2020.

Dr. Lisa Su, AMD president and CEO

The five-year amendment further strengthens our strategic manufacturing relationship with GLOBALFOUNDRIES ...


Article

Whoa. Now AMD is threatening to jump ahead of Intel. It was a rumor. Now Dr. Su says its a fact.

We'll see how successful GF 7nm turns out to be. But, it makes sense, if one believes 7nm is the "end of the line" for downsizing architecture, why mess with 10nm? Take this "chance" to "maybe" get "one up" on Intel.


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So

Vega 10 = Fury 2.0 (4096 SP, 16GB HBM2, 512GB/sec, 24 TFLOPS)
Vega 11 = Polaris 10 Replacement
Vega 20 = 7nm Shrink of Vega 10 w/ 32GB of HBM2 / PCIe 4.0

Polaris 10 is already getting replaced after only a year.


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AMD A12-9800 Pushed to 4.8 GHz on an AM4 Board Called Octopus

.. it does feature the AM4 socket and the B350 chipset. .. this motherboard is built for the DIY market and isnt finished yet in terms of design. So its just an early look at what kind of overclockability some really good value AM4 motherboards would offer to users..

The chip was clocked to a maximum overclock of 4.8 GHz, a cool 27% increase in clock speed. Chip voltage was configured at 1.325V. At this overclock, the chip managed to score 4608 points in HWBot Prime benchmark. The great thing about this testing is that it was performed on air. The AMD in-house built, Wraith cooler, was used for cooling. The cooler has set a great foundation for AMD reference coolers that will be compatible with the AM4 socket...


A12 APU is still the older 28nm node -- but updated architecture and R7 type graphics

Overclockability on air is good news in a sense. But, using an A12 APU for a gamer's computer with a separate GPU is not recommended to SimHQ readers. Nonetheless, it could make a good very low cost system that could play all games (newest games at reduced settings), based on my AMD APU builds.


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Excavator Cores.... So 4.8 = 3.9 Intel


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Appears AM3 -> AM4 heatsink compatibility will depend on Mainboard manufacturer and design.

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Good to hear! Think I'll hold out for one of these gpus smile


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AMD 300 Series and Partner Cards will start getting HEFTY discounts to clear out stock.

In Early 2017, 400 Series will be on Clearance to make room for 500 Series.


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AMD X370 For Enthusiast AM4 Motherboards:

... we have X370, a high-end chipset for overclockers and tweakers who need robust platforms. This chip provides the ultimate low-level control to its users and delivers ultimate graphics card bandwidth. By bandwidth, AMD is referring to max PCI-Express lanes as this is the only chip in the stack that supports multi-GPU functionality. The chipset supports both, CFX (CrossFire) and SLI..

..AMD has mentioned two full x16 (Gen3) lanes for GPUs. AIBs can add additional lanes through a PLX chip but that would add to the cost...


So, now we know to buy only an X370 motherboard -- when the day arrives -- next year.

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