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#4292754 - 09/01/16 09:06 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller ***** [Re: Sokol1]  
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First of all, I would like to thank Mr. Naydentsev for the great effort in bring us the MMJoy2. Superb work!

Second, I am about to mod an old Suncom F15e Hawk (the model without HAT). However, I didn’t decided myself what to do and various possibilities are open. But one thing is worrying me: the infamous Suncom straight potentiometer. I searched for references about how to change it to a Hall effect sensor, but I found very few. The most relevant one, from DocFlyer, don’t have pictures anymore (they were hosted on Imageshack). With the photos gone, I don’t have any clue on how to retrofit this pot.

Anyway, I already bought an Arduino PRO Micro board, some neodymium magnet (5x5x5mm), some A3144 Hall sensors, and PS3 thumbsticks. Also, I found that the Suncom F15e Hawk stick PCB has the mounting places of the tactile keys for the castle and HAT switches.
I would appreciate if Sokol1 could point me places in Brazil to buy the necessary parts for the mod.

Best regards,
Crawling Chaos

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#4292828 - 09/01/16 11:53 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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Frederico,

The only know HALL installation in Suncom F-15 gimbal is "Doc.Flyer 100% Solution". smile

I have a PDF of this original topic with pictures (in English and Portuguese).

In Suncom conversion topic in X-Plane forum years ago the guy allegedly install HALL, but refuse to say how and post pictures when I ask...

I have mixed feedback of Doc.Flyer solution from 3 different guys, none conclusive. So is case to try.

I suggest you go in www.gavca.com - recently other guy decided modify his Suncom and we are discussing possibilities, in the topic are has address for buy basic electronics components locally.

Although the "Saturn Ring" Suncom gimbal has good kinematics and their feel are appreciated at time - don't mix X,Y forces or have "stiction" like Warthog "piston" gimbal - was done be specific type of potentiometer, that seems no longer available.

The most practical seems make a new gimbal (aluminum profiles, ball bearings) he will try a Mega_MOZG design, but
with more length springs. Preliminary sketch:

https://s4.postimg.org/lwnsd1y0d/Suncom_Gimbal_Uber_MM.jpg

We think too in use CAM (in laser cut metal) for have a clear center, but dont know how calculate one. smile Their principle seems based on Involute Circle.

Will be easy install a HAT in place or "Red lamp" in your Hawk. wink






#4293182 - 09/03/16 02:02 AM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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Hi Sokol1, glad to finally reach you.

If you have the Doc.Flyer pictures, please send them to me. I think they could help me a lot.

If I don't manage a way of using the Hall sensor in the original place of the potentiometers, I am planing to change the entire gimbal.

Best regards
Frederico

#4295028 - 09/10/16 01:29 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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Hi Megamozg,

thanks for this great tool man!

One question: if I have a permanent ON-OFF-ON switch (as T7-T8 on the TQS) with 3 pins, is it possible to program it with an additional virtual button for the OFF position? Physically, when this switch is in the middle position, neither the T7 nor the T8 buttons are pressed. So is it possible to create a virtual button which will be active when two hardware buttons are inactive?

#4295030 - 09/10/16 02:15 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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If not you can replace the switch by DPDT ON-ON-ON

http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/60/7000toggle-965377.pdf

#4295079 - 09/10/16 05:54 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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....And here it is my second creation, in this model, i configure:

- 18 buttons
- 6 toggles ON-OFF-ON
- 3 Encoders
- 3 Slide potentiometers
- 3 Traditional potentiometers




#4295096 - 09/10/16 06:58 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: vparez]  
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Originally Posted By: vparez
Hi Megamozg,
One question: if I have a permanent ON-OFF-ON switch (as T7-T8 on the TQS) with 3 pins, is it possible to program it with an additional virtual button for the OFF position?

look here, use this idea with "Button(invert)" mode
https://sites.google.com/site/mmjoyproject/nastrojka-v-defender-cobra-m5-treh-rezimov-bvr-nav-vis

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#4295428 - 09/12/16 08:35 AM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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@Sokol1,

yeah I know, but the body of a 6-pin is much larger which means I have to change the internal supports of the TQS and I dont want to do that.

@Mega_Mozg,

Thanks for the tip, but I didn't really understand what you do there; I am not very electronically savvy.

I am trying also to program a button in a SWITCH mode but it gives no response at all, no matter which mode I chose. I am using the latest build v20160818upd1 and the button works normally in the norm and invert modes. Any idea what am I doing wrong?

#4295779 - 09/13/16 05:47 AM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: ]  
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@mega_mozg_13

Is it possible to map a switch to give repeat signals?

I'm thinking about the EJECT command in DCS. If you assign this command to a switch, that switch must be activated three times in order to eject.

I would like to have one button or switch giving three (or more) "presses" when I close the switch. Is this possible in MMJoy?


add "Timer" and "ON+OFF" mode

#4295780 - 09/13/16 05:50 AM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: vparez]  
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Originally Posted By: vparez

I am trying also to program a button in a SWITCH mode but it gives no response at all, no matter which mode I chose. I am using the latest build v20160818upd1 and the button works normally in the norm and invert modes. Any idea what am I doing wrong?

to small delay between "ON" and "OFF" status add "Timer", and check buttons via "VKB_BtnTester"...

#4295988 - 09/13/16 07:47 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: mega_mozg_13]  
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Originally Posted By: mega_mozg_13
Originally Posted By: vparez

I am trying also to program a button in a SWITCH mode but it gives no response at all, no matter which mode I chose. I am using the latest build v20160818upd1 and the button works normally in the norm and invert modes. Any idea what am I doing wrong?

to small delay between "ON" and "OFF" status add "Timer", and check buttons via "VKB_BtnTester"...


Thanks man! MMJoy works perfectly; well done!

#4296399 - 09/15/16 04:13 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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OK, I've been playing around with an old Thrustmaster TQS. Buttons and Pots are all fine. Anybody got a pinout for the Pressure Transducer? I've got a setup that works in X/Y axis but when I supply 5 volts, the total throw for the axis is .2 Volt (2/10). That seems really low for an axis throw. Barring that, Can anyone recommend a replacement? I've tried fitting a couple of xbox and playstation style thumb sticks and they are too big for the volume available.

#4296415 - 09/15/16 04:57 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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Hi MMJOY2 experts!

Im in the process of modifying an old Logitech Stick and the last thing i have to do now is flashing the MMJOY firmware on my Arduino Leonardo clone

This however is making trouble... I have tinkered now for 6 hours and dont know why it wont work for me.
This is giving me a headach, i expected it to be almost plug and play smile
I hope it is just some minor issue that i have overlooked and please forgive me for not reading 100 if this is repeatly asked.


The Problem:
I have "sucessfull" flashed my chip with a test firmware mapping one Axis.
The Device is Listed in Device Manager in the HID collum as HID-compliant vendor-definded device (just like in the Tutorial on Github
The Device does also appear as USB-Input device in the HID collum.
The Device does not get recognized by Windows as Gamecontroller
Windows does not ask me to Install Drivers for the Device
Windows does says the Drivers are up to Date
The Device is no longer shown as a Serial COM Port in the Serial collum, In Bootloader mode however it is still visible and has a com port attached

The Device is shown in the List in the MMJOY2 Softwrae as MMJ-reset
The Device is shown in Settings -> Device and Printer as MMJ-reset

any ideas whhat i #%&*$# up, gentleman?

#4296474 - 09/15/16 07:52 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: SolderMonkey]  
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I've installed a ps2 thumbstick in there... It isn't pretty but it is functional

#4296532 - 09/15/16 09:46 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Orka45]  
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Originally Posted By: Orka45

I have "sucessfull" flashed my chip with a test firmware mapping one Axis.

The Device is shown in Settings -> Device and Printer as MMJ-reset...

any ideas whhat i #%&*$# up, gentleman?


Looks that you don't set the "joystick" already. The firmware flash make the Arduino a HID device, but not a "joystick".

Open the JoySetup, select the device "MMJ reset" and set the joystick:

Their name
VID/PID numbers (eg. 0001/0001 make the new joystick the first for Windows/Games).
Number, resolution, names for axis, etc.
Matrix or Shift Register for buttons, set buttons "names" (their numbers). Can leave this for do latter.

Save for device. When reboot the new joystick will appear in Joy Setup testing tools or Windows Control Panel > Games Controllers

Originally Posted By: Forsaken_joystick
I've installed a ps2 thumbstick in there... It isn't pretty but it is functional


Is the solution adopted by Thrustmaster for Cougar. smile

You can order a 3D printed proper cover for the mini-stick:

Early F-16 TQS: http://www.shapeways.com/shops/debolestis
Latter F-16 "Block" TQS: http://www.shapeways.com/product/ARG8VEB84/f16-cursor-knob?optionId=59097861


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#4296544 - 09/15/16 11:00 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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Originally Posted By: Sokol1
Originally Posted By: Orka45

I have "sucessfull" flashed my chip with a test firmware mapping one Axis.

The Device is shown in Settings -> Device and Printer as MMJ-reset...

any ideas whhat i #%&*$# up, gentleman?


Looks that you don't set the "joystick" already. The firmware flash make the Arduino a HID device, but not a "joystick".

Open the JoySetup, select the device "MMJ reset" and set the joystick:

Their name
VID/PID numbers (eg. 0001/0001 make the new joystick the first for Windows/Games).
Number, resolution, names for axis, etc.
Matrix or Shift Register for buttons, set buttons "names" (their numbers). Can leave this for do latter.

Save for device.
When reboot the new joystick will appear in Joy Setup testing tools or Windows Control Panel > Games Controllers


Thank you!
I overlooked that menue Point and thought after configuring i have to flash the Firmware on the Stick.
I knew it had to be something easy biggrin
I feel stupid now !6! HOURS of overlooking that Button biggrin

Ok, The Arduino now gets recognized as a Joystick in Windows!
Too bad its already 1 AM, i think i can finally finish that Stick mod tomorrow (feels like an eternity)
I will Post a Picture in here when it is finally assembled

#4296547 - 09/15/16 11:14 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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Yeah, I just left it alone for now. I'll order some PS2 or PSP sticks. Sokol1 came through with a very detailed set of info on the transducer. I'm not wiring op amps and a second atmel into a joystick just for a couple of axis. Very easy conversion. Thanks guys!

#4296565 - 09/16/16 12:37 AM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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Hi guys,

I finished my F22+TQS conversion with a single arduino micro and it works very well. Thx again to MegaMozg!
I do have a little problem; I manage to make 7 assignments to switch ON or switch OFF function in the virtual button list, and no more. If I try another, the selection reverts to a normal button. Is there a limit to the number of switches?

Edit: actually, I cant edit anything else in the button list; cant set any more timers or shifts or encoders. I can still assign buttons to a virtual button but cant change any other options for it. I don't know yet at which exact moment this starts to happen.

Last edited by vparez; 09/16/16 01:05 AM.
#4296823 - 09/16/16 05:51 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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Question, my MMJOY2 Micro Pro arduino clone is acting wierd. It has 2 potentiometers (TM FLCS original ones) so far it's working great, not spiking with x4 filter. But, from time to time one axis is moving the other... Could it be a current problem since I'm using standard motherboard usb ports?

#4297033 - 09/17/16 04:01 PM Re: MMJoy/MMjoy2 - Build your own USB controller [Re: Sokol1]  
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Hi mega_mozg_13,

it's weird when I try to run the latest MMJOY2[v20160818upd1] in win10 or XP, it pops up this error message:




am I missing some language files? I download from your google sites Could you pls help me out of this?

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