I believe 1c could really gain by giving the CloD code to TF, when they get a working code back to develop a follow up to TF-Clod.
TF, with the code, could work on further extensions to the game which are not covered by 1c.
1c could even give a monetary gratification for fixing the code, I think.
It would be a win-win situation, imo, as 1c would have a, imo, while still older, more capable game engine and the game community would have more choice.
One can dream.

As a rule of thumb, source code to old/dead/abandoned projects is not released into the wild. There are some notable exceptions, a company here or there like id software that will do it once the product is a couple of generations old and such.

However, the most notable source codes in the wild by and large were leaks by most likely disgruntled former workers (ie falcon 4) or hackers (HL2).

Frankly CloD is barely 5 years old and not really old enough to be called obsolete. 1C invested money in that and they conceivably could go back to it later and reuse part of it for a future project. While I do not believe it is the case, I wouldn't be totally surprised if 1C had a small team continuing to work on it behind the scenes, fixing it up and making it right, to supplant the RoF/BoS series' engine for a notional BoS II or something.

Again, I don't think 1C has the resources or will to do that, but other companies have, so it makes business sense for them to reserve the right to exploit it later.
Intel abandoned the Pentium 4 architecture and went back to the mobile version of the Pentium III when designing the first Core CPU, that would become the Core 2 Duo and Quad. They didn't just make the P3 design public domain when the P4 came out, saying "when will we need that old stuff again?" The old designs like the 286 are out there, not anything that recent.




The Jedi Master

I seem to remember reading that the CloD developers included some proprietary middleware in the project (for trees?). If this is the case then regardless of other issues it might not be legally possible to release the source code.

Did they use SpeedTree? I don't remember, but that would certainly put the brakes on anything other than a hack or unapproved leak.



The Jedi Master

Yup, it appears so: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=245995&postcount=7

But that doesn't say they did use speedtree, in fact it seems to suggest they had to find another solution as it seems speedtree was not the answer.

When started, Speed tree is listed in the game credits

They definitely used Speedtree and they blamed this fact on the reason why there's no collision model for trees CLoD.

Just as curiosity, Battleground Europe too use Speedtree and in this the tree trunks have hit detection.

I am not understanding why Speedtree would necessarily preempt 1CGS from giving TF access to source code for limited purpose of improving Clod functionality, specifically in terms of AI coding. Would seem that an NDA could be used to protect proprietary middleware if such were really at issue. Certainly 1CGS could in that way regain some of the community goodwill that has been wasted in the years release of CloD.

I suspect it would depend on the specific contract with SpeedTree, though generally it isn't possible to unilaterally extend an NDA to third parties. As for 1CGS and goodwill, that is clearly their decision not ours to make, and there really isn't much point in debating what we think they should or shouldn't do. Particularly in a thread supposedly about another product entirely. The sensible thing it would seem to me would be for TF to ask 1CGS directly if they think it might get somewhere.

But that's what we do, we debate

I don't think that 1C/1CGS can erase its history. All I've suggested is that the company giving back to the community would help give some former customers a rationale for buying into their current and future offerings.

Why not start your own thread and call it Jason owes me the CloD code?

Once for all. 1C and 1CGS are 2 separate and distinct companies. 1C owns CloD code. 1CGS don't.
So if you want to ask something about, better to knock on the right door.

Yes, because 1CGS is next door on the left.

The shenanigans we have to put up with

I don't think the people in control of the code think that much of the TF crew ...probably a few former 1C employee's mixed in it, may be hard feelings too. dating back to 03 when the pilot ran around the 109, stopped and kicked it's tire...would not surprise me if they hated those who get in their games code.

Oleg is fan, he sometimes posts in the TF facebook page.

It must not be widely known in the community or the amount of traffic generated by his presence would most likely melt their Facebook page.


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