#4293948 - 09/06/16 03:04 PM
Re: Worth a buy?
[Re: JimBobb]
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As a rule of thumb, source code to old/dead/abandoned projects is not released into the wild. There are some notable exceptions, a company here or there like id software that will do it once the product is a couple of generations old and such.
However, the most notable source codes in the wild by and large were leaks by most likely disgruntled former workers (ie falcon 4) or hackers (HL2).
Frankly CloD is barely 5 years old and not really old enough to be called obsolete. 1C invested money in that and they conceivably could go back to it later and reuse part of it for a future project. While I do not believe it is the case, I wouldn't be totally surprised if 1C had a small team continuing to work on it behind the scenes, fixing it up and making it right, to supplant the RoF/BoS series' engine for a notional BoS II or something.
Again, I don't think 1C has the resources or will to do that, but other companies have, so it makes business sense for them to reserve the right to exploit it later. Intel abandoned the Pentium 4 architecture and went back to the mobile version of the Pentium III when designing the first Core CPU, that would become the Core 2 Duo and Quad. They didn't just make the P3 design public domain when the P4 came out, saying "when will we need that old stuff again?" The old designs like the 286 are out there, not anything that recent.
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#4294031 - 09/06/16 08:20 PM
Re: Worth a buy?
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Did they use SpeedTree? I don't remember, but that would certainly put the brakes on anything other than a hack or unapproved leak.
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#4294152 - 09/07/16 12:36 PM
Re: Worth a buy?
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When started, Speed tree is listed in the game credits
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#4294266 - 09/07/16 09:30 PM
Re: Worth a buy?
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I am not understanding why Speedtree would necessarily preempt 1CGS from giving TF access to source code for limited purpose of improving Clod functionality, specifically in terms of AI coding. Would seem that an NDA could be used to protect proprietary middleware if such were really at issue. Certainly 1CGS could in that way regain some of the community goodwill that has been wasted in the years release of CloD. I suspect it would depend on the specific contract with SpeedTree, though generally it isn't possible to unilaterally extend an NDA to third parties. As for 1CGS and goodwill, that is clearly their decision not ours to make, and there really isn't much point in debating what we think they should or shouldn't do. Particularly in a thread supposedly about another product entirely. The sensible thing it would seem to me would be for TF to ask 1CGS directly if they think it might get somewhere.
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#4294457 - 09/08/16 01:54 PM
Re: Worth a buy?
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I don't think that 1C/1CGS can ... Once for all. 1C and 1CGS are 2 separate and distinct companies. 1C owns CloD code. 1CGS don't. So if you want to ask something about, better to knock on the right door.
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#4294855 - 09/09/16 07:36 PM
Re: Worth a buy?
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I don't think that 1C/1CGS can ... Once for all. 1C and 1CGS are 2 separate and distinct companies. 1C owns CloD code. 1CGS don't. So if you want to ask something about, better to knock on the right door. Yes, because 1CGS is next door on the left.
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#4294916 - 09/09/16 09:37 PM
Re: Worth a buy?
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I don't think the people in control of the code think that much of the TF crew ...probably a few former 1C employee's mixed in it, may be hard feelings too. dating back to 03 when the pilot ran around the 109, stopped and kicked it's tire...would not surprise me if they hated those who get in their games code.
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
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#4294965 - 09/10/16 01:07 AM
Re: Worth a buy?
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Oleg is fan, he sometimes posts in the TF facebook page.
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#4295413 - 09/12/16 05:24 AM
Re: Worth a buy?
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Oleg is fan, he sometimes posts in the TF facebook page. It must not be widely known in the community or the amount of traffic generated by his presence would most likely melt their Facebook page. Wheels
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