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#4291207 - 08/28/16 02:27 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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That's what it comes down to in the end. Personal taste.

For me, I prefer DCS World. It gives me (albeit at a relatively high price point) a great sim experience. The systems modeling is great (not perfect I'm sure, but still very impressive on the DCS modules), great visuals, outstanding 3D cockpits that look amazing in VR. The VR aspect can't be understated IMHO. It is a total game changer, and BMS can't compete in this area.

At the end of the day, if you are dissatisfied with a particular sim (or the company that produced it), you have the option not to support them financially. That is your choice entirely.


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#4291211 - 08/28/16 03:03 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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A thread where people can have different opinions?!?! Wow cool. I tried BMS Falcon 4... So much work to get it working. In the end I was severely disappointed. DCS is far superior in every way. We may not have all that content by I am happy trying to manage staying "current" in the aircraft I like. I cant claim to be an expert in the MiG 15, 21, 29 and F-5, 15, 51 and 86. When I get good and bored with these I might move on.
DCS has not beer flavor. Even just FC3 alone have many flavors. Escort, Fighter sweep, ground pound, CAS, SEAD.... you name it. And now with WW2 aircraft, oh the menu is full.

My humble opinion, of course...


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#4291226 - 08/28/16 04:13 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: Paul Rix]  
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Originally Posted By: Paul Rix
At the end of the day, if you are dissatisfied with a particular sim (or the company that produced it), you have the option not to support them financially. That is your choice entirely.


That's a bit tricky when the company already has your money.

Unlike the ridiculous beer analagies that simply reflect opinion, what isn't covered are the 'early releases' which simply aren't finished or progressed in a reasonable amount of time. The beer is either stale, lost its fizz or becomes tasteless.

Everyone has their favourite aircraft/helos and like to support a company that will provide a desktop simulation, but when ED and 3rd parties drop an unfinished product like a hot potato and reduce development and bug-fixing to a trickle so they can focus on the next 'early access' platform then it becomes project which probably has too much concurrent work, resources spread too thinly and an extended timeline which never featured in the initial plans hence ED has no idea when anything will be completed.

Add in the other content which they've taken money for and not released anything years later then you have something else which isn't covered by the beer analogy too. Irrespective of opinion, that's a poor show.

How about you buy a beer at the bar and the bartender says he'll bring it over.......however he never brings it over, or your mates say 'don't worry, even if its late you'll get it at some point'. Even if its the best tasting beer on the planet if the bartender brings it over just as you're leaving its equally irrelevant.


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#4291241 - 08/28/16 05:10 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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The guy in the video must be Troll cheers



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#4291242 - 08/28/16 05:10 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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What exactly did you buy that you feel you didn't get Paradaz? The only module that I have been disappointed with so far is the Hawk. Third party modules will always be a bit of a lottery, and with the Hawk I had the option not to buy it early access. All the other modules I have bought have been truly outstanding:
A10C, KA50, M2000C, Gazelle, F86, MiG 15, L39, MiG21, P51, UH1 and the F5E (I also have FC3 but those aircraft are not modeled to the same level and were never meant to be). I have high hopes that the Hawk will reach a point where it matches the high standard of the other modules. I didn't pay full price for it, so I'm not going to get too bent out of shape about it at this point.

I guess I am just surprised at the level of negativity leveled at DCS by a number of people here. That is not to say ED or the third party devs are perfect, or that there are no egos involved, but if you allow yourself to step back and take in the overall picture, what we have is pretty darned impressive.


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#4291261 - 08/28/16 06:54 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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Lighten up, I'm simply saying the beer analogy only covers the opinion of liking DCS or liking another flight sim. Nowhere am I saying your post is irrellevant or you can't enjoy DCS.

I have an Oculus myself, and the experience and immersion is magnified ten-fold. It still however doesn't sort out ED's incompetence or inability to sort out the mess of all these dev branches, constant delays and completing the modules they start.


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#4291265 - 08/28/16 07:11 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: Maico]  
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Originally Posted By: Maico
A thread where people can have different opinions?!?! Wow cool. I tried BMS Falcon 4... So much work to get it working. In the end I was severely disappointed. DCS is far superior in every way. We may not have all that content by I am happy trying to manage staying "current" in the aircraft I like. I cant claim to be an expert in the MiG 15, 21, 29 and F-5, 15, 51 and 86. When I get good and bored with these I might move on.
DCS has not beer flavor. Even just FC3 alone have many flavors. Escort, Fighter sweep, ground pound, CAS, SEAD.... you name it. And now with WW2 aircraft, oh the menu is full.

My humble opinion, of course...



I obviously understand that we all have different tastes and may prefer different products. I also understand that some players may prefer DCS to BMS.
However I can't agree with the "DCS is far superior in every way" assessment because it's clearly false and I'll explain below why:

- Does DCS have a fully dynamic campaign? Or even a "slightly" dynamic campaign? No it doesn't! Falcon BMS has a fully dynamic campaign which is considered by many the best campaign ever made for a combat flight simulations. So here Falcon BMS is far superior to DCS.
- Can you play a campaign in Multiplayer in DCS? No you can't. So here Falcon BMS is far superior to DCS.
- Does DCS models a modern multi-role combat aircraft? No it doesn't. So here Falcon BMS is far superior to DCS.
- Does DCS models an Air-to-Ground radar? No it doesn't. So here Falcon BMS is far superior to DCS.
- Does DCS models Man-in-loop weapons like BMS 4.33 models? No it doesn't. So here Falcon BMS is far superior to DCS.
- And I could go, on and on and on...


You obviously have the right to prefer DCS over BMS and you also have the right of preferring what DCS does better than BMS than otherwise. But you CANNOT say that DCS is far superior in every way because and again this is false and this a fact like it's a fact that Earth is round. You can say that Earth is flat (instead of round) but again that would be false just like (and again) saying that "DCS is far superior in every way".
The same goes for the opposite as well. While I clearly prefer Falcon BMS to DCS all the way, I cannot say that "Falcon BMS is far superior in every way" because this would be false (there are things that DCS does better than Falcon BMS).


I also don't understand how did you have so much work to get it (Falcon BMS) working??
For me it was very straightforward to get Falcon BMS to work.

#4291266 - 08/28/16 07:20 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: ]  
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@ricnunes,

I'll just continue enjoying my "beer", because even half full it's better than 10 bottles of any competing brand... smile
But hey, that's according to MY taste. You are of course not obliged to feel the same way.

Cheers!


Sure.
However my analogy as opposed to yours didn't cover the "personal taste" factor.
Using my own analogy, if someone served me a beer in a 33cl bottle or can but when looking at that bottle (or can) it would only comes with half of those 33cl, I would feel cheated (actually more than that!). This is kind of what I feel with DCS.

BTW thanks for your "beer analogy", it definitely helped me to understand a bit better why DCS isn't "my cup of tea" (except for a couple of exceptions such as the DCS:Huey module).

#4291271 - 08/28/16 07:48 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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True, true. It all comes down to taste. Obviously, Troll has horrible ones... ahahaha... just kidding Troll. Just trying to **troll** you! Badum-tish! Thank you, I'll be here all week. behindcouch

In all seriousness though, there are valid points on both sides; I just don't like it when someone makes it seem like there is nothing else but DCS. That may be true if your criteria is F-15, A-10C, or MiG-15 (and so on), but that is not true if the criteria is "combat flight simulation." I also don't like it when the conversation starts going down to "we should be thankful to DCS" or "we should do all we can to support DCS otherwise we'll be out in the cold."

Personally, I feel that BMS does more things better than DCS, but again, that is "better" because it fits my NEEDS more. I like the dynamic campaign. I like the persistence of damage. I like the feel of having an impact in the battlefield. If I bomb a bridge, I like the fact that for the next 4-5 flights, I can fly over that bridge and see it's still destroyed. If I take out a SAM radar, I like the fact that I can return later and safely bomb/strafe the rest of the emplacement with impunity. Those are my preferences.

I fully appreciate that someone else may not want this dynamic/persistence feature. A person training on an aircraft may benefit more from learning a mission, knowing where most threats are, then flying the same mission over-and-over-and-over again and trying out different attacks to see which ones work. Someone may not be bothered by the lack of the dynamic campaign. And so on and so forth.

Bottom line:
DCS is currently incompetent and directionless. If they are competent and have a clear vision of where they're going, they sure are good at hiding it!
DCS **HAS** made a good sim, but it's not being fixed or delivered quickly enough for some people, and since these people have already spent their money, they do have the right to complain.
ED's current performance does not contribute to someone enjoying or not enjoying the sim. I could call ED/DCS nincompoops but still enjoy DCS A-10C. Oh, how I miss my GAU-88! My Viper's 20 mike-mike just feels like BB guns.

Maico, if you want to have a good go at BMS and are having trouble, post here or on the BMS forums and I'm sure you'll get the help you need!


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#4291274 - 08/28/16 07:51 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: ]  
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No, you said it was ridiculous... Not the best way to communicate with people if you want a meaningful discussion.


I quite clearly said the beer analogy is ridiculous because the example only reflects opinion of liking something/liking something else without any influence of reason - re-read the post......There is clearly a lot more of emotion and enthusiasm from the community with regards ED/DCS hence the posts we see here on SimHQ. I added reasons as to why the beer example doesn't work and added to the analogy so you can see an example of what might be missing.

At the end of the day we all want DCS to realise its potential.....we're not here because we want to argue about a game none of us play.

That's exactly how discussions work, so playing the victim card and misquoting as a means to try and justify your own post and how it can't possibly be incorrect isn't going to wash.

Originally Posted By: "Paradaz"
Unlike the ridiculous beer analagies that simply reflect opinion





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#4291284 - 08/28/16 08:17 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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You're not quite getting it.....

Yes, opinion serves as a reflection of personal reference. ED's delays, unfinished modules yadda, yadda is absolute fact and not opinion. Your beer analogy which took up considerable space simply offers up "I like A, you like B" scenario and doesn't include or attempt to incorporate facts into the equation.

There's a lot more to it than that. I like DCS too and spend a lot of time playing it.....that doesn't mean I can't complain about the shortfalls, nor does it make me state others opinions aren't valid (I've never done that and never will).

I'm not the slightest bit offended lol, not sure why you're now trying to justify your post and stance whilst "shouting".




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#4291292 - 08/28/16 09:25 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: ]  
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Originally Posted By: Troll

And what you don't get is that it's all about how you react to this. How you form your opinion about these facts.

You and I are both subjected to the very exact same absolute facts, as you put it, with regards to DCS. Same delays. Same kickstarter fail. Same bugs. Yet, you and I react differently to this. That's all. So, just because you react in one way, doesn't mean I have to react in the same way.

Please, Paradaz, just let people say nice things about DCS if that's how they really feel. It has actually become impossible to say something positive about DCS here at SimHQ, without someone like you making comments about blowing smoke up ED:s behind, or such.


There are few threads whereby any negativity outweighs positivity so I think we can dismiss that claim. The major problem with ED is that they continue to make the same errors as previous with new content and modules so we do start to see similar complaints all over again even though it applies to a different object. I would however say that even just looking at the thread titles within the DCS forum, you will probably notice more and more negativity creeping into the forum over the last couple of years for the simple reason that more and more people are getting fed up with EDs incompetence. Let's hope the merge of the dev branches and release of 2.5 and associated maps (by the end of the year according to the last newsletter) sort a lot of problems out and create the foundations of the engine we have been wanting for such a long (and overdue) time now.

We are subjected to the same delays etc. but we are also subjected to differing experiences depending on what modules you buy/own so no, we may not have identical experiences overall....unless you have bought all of the available content with exception to 2 x modules (Mirage and F5 for me) although I have given several modules away now as I won't be entertaining them (or buying them again) until ED actually sort out the mess. Nor will I be purchasing any more 'early access' content because they are not progressed enough or completed in what I deem as an acceptable time. The Hawk will be my next give-away although I have asked 'top of the tree' for a refund which he originally offered, but has not replied in months so I won't be holding my breath - that particular module has probably been the best part of a waste of time from the day it was released. I'm not sure why you have the impression I think you have to react a certain way to anything either, I'm more than familiar with what an opinion is and have never suggested anyone changes or alters theirs,.....going back to the beer analagy, I suggested you'd missed elements in the example which forms opinion although you still seem to be struggling with that concept.

People can say whatever they want, good or bad about ED/DCS as it doesn't prompt 'someone like me' as you insinuate to challenge them should it be positive. This line of thinking is consistent on SimHQ though, many people talk positively about DCS and it goes unchallenged (as it should) but as soon as anyone points out a flaw, then they're called names, mis-quoted, belittled and everything else that goes with it....you've done it yourself in the posts above and you can see it again throughout this very thread from various members.


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#4291319 - 08/29/16 12:44 AM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: ]  
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Originally Posted By: Troll
Sigh! Worst part is you actually needed the whole day to come up with that one...

Besides, have you ever heard of a Troll with good taste..?


No, my good man, you're the first.... and I'm not really sure about the "good taste" bit. biggrin
Anyway, I didn't need the whole day. Unfortunately, I have this condition called J-O-B that keeps me busy at times.



Originally Posted By: Troll
Please, Paradaz, just let people say nice things about DCS if that's how they really feel. It has actually become impossible to say something positive about DCS here at SimHQ, without someone like you making comments about blowing smoke up ED:s behind, or such.


The balance must be kept!! You say your nice things, we'll say our not-nice things. Neither one is false anyway, just two sides of the same coin, so no need for complaints.


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Originally Posted By: Troll
Oh man... I'm...I'm sorry! Really sorry man. I had no idea. I'll keep that in mind next time I chastise you!
Hope you get better when you retire! wink


Can't come quickly enough, if you ask me!!

And yes, for future reference, I would greatly appreciate your kindness and understanding. bottles


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#4291643 - 08/29/16 10:25 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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Hello flightsim guru’s,

Back again hope everyone's feelin fine and nice and relaxed.

About this sim beer business has anyone tried that Light beer called Flight School? Not for me, a little lightweight for me, like some of the just out to be annoying BMS beer drinking users around here. The dynamic beer ad campaign is cool, but it always feels like it's trying to pull me in and kill me. Sort of like the BMS fanatics do on the forum here with their attempts at brainwashing people and lately as seen here by Troll.

You're all a bunch of flight simholics anyway! You all need to go to simholics anonymous meetings.

Hi I’m David and...I am...A Simholic. See it's not to hard guy’s. Repeat after me….

Very funny Troll lol, it's all great! some of the best parts for me…

Originally Posted By: Troll
Yeah... I drank a lot of BMS back in the days. Don't know how "pure" it was though. It tastes a lot better after the brewery went belly-up and that gang of home brewers refined the recipe.

- That it does, my friend! Lot better. Better than anything else. And today they have new flavours too!

Yeah, heard about that. Basically the same beer but different bottles. DCS even have other breweries making totally new beer for them.


The time off here has given me chance to discuss the pressure moderators are under on the ED forums such as SiThSpAwN dealing with all the expectations associated with simulating something so complex such as Flight, Aircraft and their systems and subsystems and perhaps I could help look after parts of the forum such as the A-10C Bug section as one of the moderators.

This would also help me keep in touch with Noodle, Snoopy and bkthunder…. I do feel some sort of connection forming between us…

Anyway enough rambling on, back on Topic

In the spirit of the thread and why it’s was started in the first place I have decided to giveaway 2 DCS aircraft modules to...

Originally Posted By: eonel
Flight sims always attract a lot of "attention to detail" & other passionate commentary. It is part of what makes it a great community and a place where I learn new things every day. But there needs to be a balance of respect between developers & community & too often both parties fall short of this.

Developers need to recognise the passion, embrace open discussion + implement changes to address negative feedback. But they should also not allow attention to detail to distract from the bigger goals of expanding the sim and making a profit. Without a viable business there will be no flight sims & we will all be poorer.

Community members need to contain their passion - to avoid being so negative & repetitive that it puts new members off buying the sim & joining the community. ED "utter ineptitude & incompetence" did not deliver the greatest modern jet flight sim we have today. No-one should lose perspective on this.


And

Originally Posted By: Chucky
To me it's a game that simulates flying an aircraft.It can't be 100% realistic and we shouldn't expect that simulation to mirror the RL aircraft for $39.99. That's my opinion anyway.

If this was a multi-million dollar simulator to train real pilots then yes,it needs to be as accurate as possible.

When I look back over the years at the flight sim community and how they react to what they are given,the massive arguments,the fallout etc,I can't see why anyone would want to keep developing these games for us,I really don't.


PM me your (ED account username) not the forum name and the DCS Aircraft module of your choice… If you wish to, this could be a friends (ED account username) instead.

Troll gets a huge big mention here only, because he gets to fly one of my favorite civilian aircraft. That’s all tho. lol, Yes still jealous….

What was written was how they feel about this topic without any influence. I feel eonel post should not have been pull apart in my opinion and that’s the reason for me ignoring Ice’s noise throughout this thread which seemed to me to be on purpose for whatever ever reason, this thread was done in good spirits to help others understand some systems or flight model will not be perfectly simulated in ANY flightsim on the planet, even IRL flight simulators as pointed out by Troll a pilot that uses these sims when doing his bi-annual simulator check. That’s what I meant bkthunder as in real pilot or commercial airline pilot with experience in Full Simulators, correct me if you do have a commercial airline pilot’s licence and have sim checks.

Back to noodles postings on this forum and there's one thing that really concerns me here, only Troll has mentioned that the real simulators he has used as a Pilot IRL do mess up too like our flghtsims do at home. From reading Noodle’s post here he has instructed on simulators IRL in the past but not once mentioned how accurate they were? Noodle would know the ins and outs of a real life simulator seeing he was the instructor IRL wouldn't he? Why no mention of limitations posted here or on the ED’s forum?

Originally Posted By: Noodle
So it's mildly offensive to throw up link to a thesis as evidence for why we don't know what we're talking about, or otherwise are unreasonable people. Unless you are going to send Yo-Yo a PM to complain that his non-linear equations are too complex and unimportant, don't complain when someone looks at the equation output and points out that it deviates from known behavior.


I’m still concerned about why noodle also would not want links to places like MIT and or to a Mechanical Engineering Thesis? You need to understand both sides of this coin to understand the work and time for ED that only a small majority wanted fixing, well not so small now of course.

Well I’m sure there will be a Noodle 1000 words coming our way shortly… Stay tuned hay bkthunder
Someone's call sign "Soap" short for Soap opera.

Noodle, please also add in the inaccuracies you have witnessed on the real life simulators you have used please, just as Troll has done here.

As CyBerkut the Administrator pointed out in the last thread to me...
If you don't like the content of a thread, feel free to stop reading it.
If you don't like the posts of a particular member, feel free to use the "Ignore this User" function.

By "Ignore this User" You only see this “Users” post when someone else “Quotes” all or part of what they have written before.

This thread and others read back great when using this function for annoyingly “loud” 150 decibel of white noise forum posters with no real point but to disrupt and to look for a reason for negativity in everyone's posts.

How to use this forum feature? (Click on someone's name in the left column and select view profile) once looking at someone's profile press (Ignore this user) button in Red. Once done all you will see in their post is *** You are ignoring this user ***

Maybe it is true?
A simmer scorned is worse than a woman scorned? Hard to believe, perhaps Ice and Paradaz would be able to answer this one for us.

It would help to understand why the spamming of so much negativity around here by some users that go out of their way to hang in the DCS section of the forum.

Oh and someone's call sign? (Scorned Ice) I like it…. BMS beer drinkers put ice in there beer, so I've heard, Bit weird?....

I don't know how you do it Paradaz? Drink BMS beer while nibbling on ice, sounds a bit wrong and sick to me.
Oh another call sign already… (nibbles)

I'm glad everyone here has such a great since of Humour as seen here on the last few pages after Troll's well written and funny beer post.

#4291647 - 08/29/16 10:41 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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No reply could ever do justice to that mess. You win.


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#4291654 - 08/29/16 10:57 PM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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The dynamic beer ad campaign is cool, but it always feels like it's trying to pull me in and kill me.



That's about the only first 2 or 3 mission generated by AI HQ and you can always call off the mission if it is "Red Light" situation(Failure of SEAD/DEAD/Escort in your package).
btw this is the biggest difference of the BMS and DCS. Objective is winning the war, not completing the mission you jumped in.

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#4291732 - 08/30/16 03:11 AM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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Of course, this brings up an age old (and yet still interesting) debate. Your average combat pilot doesn't make strategic decisions. Doesn't go out to single handedly win the war. They fly the missions they are assigned to the best of their ability.

So, it could be argued that a dynamic campaign where you pick your own targets and strategy is really not all that realistic. Now, before I get shot down in flames by the BMS guys, I really enjoy strategy. It is indeed very neat to prosecute the war the way you want to fight it, but that would, in real life make you at least a General or equivalent. Your days of strapping yourself into a fighter are realistically long behind you if you are playing this role.

So, what is the most important thing here? I think that comes down to the individual.

For me I guess I want an immersive experience. Right now, *for me* that requires VR support. That even trumps systems fidelity or a dynamic campaign. I want to feel like I'm actually strapped into that cockpit. At this moment in time, DCS is the undisputed king in this department.

So, what about you guys? What is the most important aspect to you?


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#4291741 - 08/30/16 04:46 AM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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Speaking from a single player's perspective:

Feeling like I'm part of a war or large scale conflict is what does it for me. I'm not a big fan of the "Iron Eagle" type of flying. The sims of the 90's that had dynamic campaigns set the standard for me. They don't have to be truly dynamic...just enough to immerse you in the conflict. WWI sims were great at doing this and WOFF has the best immersion of anything out there currently.

I'm lucky though...when I got into simming in the 90's, I gobbled it all up. I will fly pretty much any era from WWI through modern day...and I enjoy all of it. My sweet spot is Korean War era dogfighting, so I'm pretty much screwed since there hasn't been a decent full Korean War sim since Mig Alley.

I am guilty of choosing my own mission from the FRAG in BMS though. As far as modern day...dogfighting BVR doesn't interest me that much, but I really enjoy moving mud with modern tech so I tend to pass on barcaps's and sweep's and grab the first ground mission.

I've said it many times...DCS may model the best aircraft of any sim to date, but they don't make you feel like a pilot in an ongoing conflict.

Features I enjoy in other sims:

Progressing rank and medals if I do well

Wingmen with names and pictures that you fly with (and care about sometimes!)

Squadron kill board...Ace of the Base etc.

Becoming an ACE

Blowing up bridges or disabling airfields and having them stay that way next mission helping your side overall

Radio chatter that gives the feeling of many flights in the battle

AI missions going on around you that aren't related to your mission...giving a feeling of being part of something larger

There are probably some other things I'm forgetting, but it boils down to wanting to feel like a wartime pilot...not just a well detailed plane in a small skirmish. I mostly fly other sims to get that type of immersion.

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#4291773 - 08/30/16 10:49 AM Re: How accurate is accurate enough outside of a NASA simulation [Re: David_OC]  
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Oh the memories of titles like Jane's AH-64D Longbow 1 and 2, Falcon 3.0, Apache vs Havoc

I was more into the helicopters back then, no idea why?

The best of the nineties for me back then was feeling like you are a big apart of something in these campaigns and the lineal stories.

Especially once Apache vs Havoc came out with a dynamic campaign around the same time as Falcon 4.

It’s funny how we have come full circle in a way, now we want good missions or a dynamic campaign in DCS which I do hope will happen in 20**. If anyone could pull it off it would be ED at some point, the problem is time when you add in the very high fidelity modules we expect, 3rd parties will help here I hope moving forward.

Are we too greedy now…?

We now seem to ask for both, close as possible to reality with full fidelity simulations and where is my nineties dynamic campaign ED?

ED can get close to full fidelity because of the past and now present contracts with the military which perhaps helped to push this extremely high level ED strides towards today, which is now good for us right? But is it? Has it gone too advanced on the consumer side? Would you like ED to keep profitable doing full fidelity simulations for the military and sandbox training they are asking for, then build more entertainment simulations for the consumer? Would certainly speed development up.

Wow, I think this would split the community right in half just thinking about this?

I do like FSX and the high fidelity simulations like PMDG, Majestic Q400, A2A and imagine what it’s like to be a pilot or commercial pilot, these companies only have a one or few planes to get to that high fidelity and remember no world to look after. I do get great satisfaction flying in FSX but not quite as much as completing a hard combat mission in DCS.

I think I would be more happy staying at this level of high fidelity aircraft now with DCS and have well made missions and campaigns made. Perhaps one day if ED can do it, have a dynamic campaign.

Or perhaps part of a dynamic system to help the mission builders fill out the world some how?

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