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#4288604 - 08/19/16 11:16 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: Aeronautico]  
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someone who bought AMD at $1.8 has gained 391 percent in seven months


Unfortunately, only 291%. I know, I am one. wink


You "put your money where my mouth is" smile

Glad to see it "paying off" thumbsup

By the way, I'm not implying that I had anything to do with your "good investment sense" -- that's "on you".


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#4288654 - 08/19/16 02:02 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
they are running engineering samples,

The final revisions will jave higher clocks.


Wasn't there a time when AMD released CPUs with higher clocks than Intel's CPUs?

I don't recall anyone underclocking the AMDs to match the Intel for benchmarks. The whole point was always that Intel and AMD did things differently "under the hood" and clock speed was no longer a reliable marker.
No one talks about GPU clock speeds after all except within a current generation, when the next comes out it's understood and accepted they could be much faster or slower but still offer better performance.

Or to put it another way: What's the point? A benchmark of an engineering sample, not running at final speeds, against an outdated Intel production CPU... It's just numbers juggling.

Might as well talk about the benefits of the 2017 Toyota Tacoma by claiming it has more cup holders than a 2005 F-150--assuming that they don't change that by the time the 2017s hit the dealers, of course!

Perhaps they think it's clever, but I see it as another AMD marketing misstep. There are two sides to a business. You need to make a competitive product/service profitably, and then you need to convince customers of that fact.

Regardless of their technical merits, I think AMD has been SERIOUSLY struggling with their marketing in recent years. Intel hasn't had to do much marketing lately, but nvidia has done very well on that score and Apple could sell a 286 in a shoe box to their customers and they'd pay $1500 for it.
AMD couldn't sell a warp drive to Elon Musk for $100.

Seriously, whoever AMD's PR team/firm is they need to be fired. Actually, they need to lose their jobs and be barred from ever holding a marketing position again. With this level of incompetence they should only be qualified for gov't jobs.




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By the way, I'm not implying that I had anything to do with your "good investment sense" -- that's "on you".

To be honest, the investment is still "good" but not that good: I jumped in in July 2015 at US$ 2.03... but I can't complain. hahaha
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they are running engineering samples,

The final revisions will jave higher clocks.


Wasn't there a time when AMD released CPUs with higher clocks than Intel's CPUs?

I don't recall anyone underclocking the AMDs to match the Intel for benchmarks. The whole point was always that Intel and AMD did things differently "under the hood" and clock speed was no longer a reliable marker.
No one talks about GPU clock speeds after all except within a current generation, when the next comes out it's understood and accepted they could be much faster or slower but still offer better performance.

Or to put it another way: What's the point? A benchmark of an engineering sample, not running at final speeds, against an outdated Intel production CPU... It's just numbers juggling.

Might as well talk about the benefits of the 2017 Toyota Tacoma by claiming it has more cup holders than a 2005 F-150--assuming that they don't change that by the time the 2017s hit the dealers, of course!

Perhaps they think it's clever, but I see it as another AMD marketing misstep. There are two sides to a business. You need to make a competitive product/service profitably, and then you need to convince customers of that fact.

Regardless of their technical merits, I think AMD has been SERIOUSLY struggling with their marketing in recent years. Intel hasn't had to do much marketing lately, but nvidia has done very well on that score and Apple could sell a 286 in a shoe box to their customers and they'd pay $1500 for it.
AMD couldn't sell a warp drive to Elon Musk for $100.

Seriously, whoever AMD's PR team/firm is they need to be fired. Actually, they need to lose their jobs and be barred from ever holding a marketing position again. With this level of incompetence they should only be qualified for gov't jobs.




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AMD Broke Off from "Marketing Clock speeds" to "Marketing CPU Ratings" with Athlon XP etc.

The Consumers still compare Clock for Clock, so why not give them what they wanna see, a Direct Clock for Clock Comparison.


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#4288762 - 08/19/16 06:20 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-cpu-stock-market,32520.html


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Eh, SOME do. I wouldn't want them in charge of flying the plane I'm on if the pilot was incapacitated, if you know what I'm saying.

The enlightened ones say "if I spend $XXX on a CPU, will the AMD or Intel offering give me better performance in what I need it do?" That's what matters. You can say it runs at 5Hz and I won't care as long as it's faster than the other guy at that price.

As for stocks, I find percentages funny as they lie. If your stock price is $250 and it goes up 300%, WOW. If instead it's $1...meh.

When a kid makes 15% profit on their lemonade stand, that's really very little. When an oil company makes 15% profit on their $100bn+ revenues, that's a lot.



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I don't understand. You might have one $250 share or 250 $1 shares, 300% is still $750.
You are talking about companies' capitalisation? One company might have a million $250 outstanding shares, and another a billion $1 shares: which one is bigger?


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Clockspeed isnt the answer...

AMD was selling 5GHz FX8 Cores that were easily stomped by 3.5 GHz i5's


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#4288924 - 08/20/16 10:38 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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As previously noted, in my intense study of the Stock Markets and Strategies, I can summarize -- buy low, sell high, but, in most cases, don't plan to "hold" for long term growth over years.

As previously noted, AMD's huge and obvious mistake with FX series CPUs was going for "clock speed" over "instructions per clock".

Comparing "instructions per clock" and "instructions per watt" is the simple way to compare two CPU "technologies" relative chances for longer term success.

AMD is claiming, by their tests, that AMD CPU technology is now competitive with Intel technology. The folks who buy stock would be interested to know their CPU architecture may be "back on the competitive track" -- and the company stock may have "bottomed out" and will now tend to rise (generally speaking). That's relevant because its a primary job of the AMD CEO and management team to grow the stock price (among other things).

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As previously noted, in my intense study of the Stock Markets and Strategies, I can summarize -- buy low, sell high, but, in most cases, don't plan to "hold" for long term growth over years.


I for one only buy dividend growth stocks (PG, MFST, BA, MRK, CSCO, LMT, T, VZ etc.) and keep them until there is a dividend cut or bad news.
The AMD stock is for traders only.

#4289470 - 08/22/16 05:46 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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...AMD Takes Graphics Share From Nvidia For The Fourth Consecutive Quarter

Now sitting at 34.2% of the graphics market AMD has nearly doubled its share in 12 months, which was down to as low as 18% in the same time last year. Effectively returning the company to its recent long-term share average of ~35% between 2012 and 2015. Following this 12 month recovery the company is now looking to breakaway with more long-term share growth. Driven by a ramp of its next generation graphics product Vega which is set to succeed Polaris in 2017...


Nvidia still sells twice as much graphics as AMD. However, the direction is good for AMD stockholders and fans.


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That will only go up w/ inclusion of Next Gen Consoles Sales, as well as OEM Deals in place on both APUs and Desktops w/ Embedded RX460s from major Manufacturers.

Stock prices continue to climb.

And we still dont have Vega/Zen yet.

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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master

Might as well talk about the benefits of the 2017 Toyota Tacoma by claiming it has more cup holders than a 2005 F-150--assuming that they don't change that by the time the 2017s hit the dealers, of course!

Perhaps they think it's clever, but I see it as another AMD marketing misstep. There are two sides to a business. You need to make a competitive product/service profitably, and then you need to convince customers of that fact.

Regardless of their technical merits, I think AMD has been SERIOUSLY struggling with their marketing in recent years. Intel hasn't had to do much marketing lately, but nvidia has done very well on that score and Apple could sell a 286 in a shoe box to their customers and they'd pay $1500 for it.
AMD couldn't sell a warp drive to Elon Musk for $100.

Seriously, whoever AMD's PR team/firm is they need to be fired. Actually, they need to lose their jobs and be barred from ever holding a marketing position again. With this level of incompetence they should only be qualified for gov't jobs.
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+1 about the poor comparisons to 2 year old CPUs and the terrible marketing... they have been lost in the marketing and R&D strategy since the 5870...

Also if you own AMD stock consider selling it while it's high, I had a coworker in the late 90s who bought 3dFX stock from being a big fan of their Voodoo1/2 cards "they're the future of gaming man!", unfortunately he didn't sell the stock before the Voodoo4/5 and I believe he lost all his money he invested in 3dfx. Technology stocks are very volatile...


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AMD Opens The Lid on Zen Architectural Details at Hot Chips Huge Performance Leap Over Excavator, Massive Throughput on 14nm FinFET Design


A lengthy description of Zen CPU architecture with slides as presented by AMD -- initially up to 32 cores and 64 threads in some products. It will be combined with Vega GPU for number crunching in some huge core count products.

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...A 2 socket solution should mean a total of 64 cores and 128 threads along with denser memory capacities that make Opteron sound like a kid in the park. We would also see next generation HPC server chips which combine 32 high-performance cores alongside massive Vega GPUs that will be used to crunch FP64 calculations. That has been in the plans for quite some time and with Naples rolling out in Q2 2017, we might see it sometime around 2018...


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... AMD was one of the launch partners for the new Deus Ex: Mankind Divided game and it appears it will be bundled with some of AMD's hot FX-series CPUs..

..a copy of the new Deus Ex: Mankind Divided game with a purchase of a 6- or 8-core AMD FX CPU. According to details provided by AMD, the promotion will run from August 23rd to November 14th or until the supply lasts.

Currently, some of the hot AMD FX-series CPUs like the 6-core FX-6300 or 8-core FX-8320 are selling for as low as US $100 and US $130, so bundling a US $60 game sounds like a really good deal...


Not a bad "bang for buck" -- if one was going to buy Deus Ex. Of course, they are trying to sell off the FX CPUs before Zen hits in a few months.

If I didn't already have multiple FX CPUs in the house, I'd wait for Zen anyway smile


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My brother needs a decent AM3+ CPU, the PhenomII x2 is Bottlenecking his performance something fierce, lol.

I had already decided to keep my FX8350 Rig intact, so as soon as his job situation is settled He'll prolly ask for advice on a FX 8 Core,

They should have the 8 cores on clearance soon... doesnt need anything more than 8 Core 3.5ish GHz, so the 95w models would work fine.

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As for AMD's Marketing Shadiness...

it's better than nVidia's Bullying/Stealing/Buyout Shadiness....

nVidia in the last 20 years, has either bought out competition, bullied it, or just plain stole from it.

A Majority of the Proprietary Tech they develop is based off Older Code that what patented by other companies..




Then there's this, if true, pretty much sums it up.:
https://www.techpowerup.com/225287/nvidia-ansel-post-fx-based-on-stolen-mastereffect-reshade-fx-code


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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
As for AMD's Marketing Shadiness...

it's better than nVidia's Bullying/Stealing/Buyout Shadiness....

nVidia in the last 20 years, has either bought out competition, bullied it, or just plain stole from it.

A Majority of the Proprietary Tech they develop is based off Older Code that what patented by other companies..
Then there's this, if true, pretty much sums it up.:
https://www.techpowerup.com/225287/nvidia-ansel-post-fx-based-on-stolen-mastereffect-reshade-fx-code


Good point about Nvidia, but I think the problem with AMD is not so much shadyness as incompetence.

How are they ever going to compete with Nvidia when their marketing praises a new product while comparing their to past gen Nvidia or 2 year old Intel product?

Anyone researching their product and reading the marketing sees right through it and it comes off looking even worse.

The example Jedi gave of comparing your new truck model to a years old Tacoma model is perfect...


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As for AMD's Marketing Shadiness...

it's better than nVidia's Bullying/Stealing/Buyout Shadiness....

nVidia in the last 20 years, has either bought out competition, bullied it, or just plain stole from it.

A Majority of the Proprietary Tech they develop is based off Older Code that what patented by other companies..
Then there's this, if true, pretty much sums it up.:
https://www.techpowerup.com/225287/nvidia-ansel-post-fx-based-on-stolen-mastereffect-reshade-fx-code


Good point about Nvidia, but I think the problem with AMD is not so much shadyness as incompetence.

How are they ever going to compete with Nvidia when their marketing praises a new product while comparing their to past gen Nvidia or 2 year old Intel product?

Anyone researching their product and reading the marketing sees right through it and it comes off looking even worse.

The example Jedi gave of comparing your new truck model to a years old Tacoma model is perfect...



They Compared RX480 to 980s and 1070s etc.

The Issue with AMD FXx1xxx and X3xx Desktop Chips was,
Bulldozer was delayed A LOT, by time it came out, Intel had already advanced IPC of their initial iSeries even more than the advantages between Nehelem and AMD K10 PhenomII and AMD 15h BullDozer CPUs,

Another Issue is they Hyped/Promoted Performance using their own Compilers, and completely forgot, 99.999% of the World uses Intel x86 Compilers

Soooo... That Performance went down, then you add in the Errata Delay, The Subpar Cache and handicapped CMT Integer Cores..

Bulldozer and the 15h Family was a unconventional CPU Architecture, that had ZERO Support, AMD was hoping CMT would become wide spread, it did not, even with O/S Patches and Driver Changes, CMT had Issues due to the Cache System and Shared Resources.

Pile Driver addressed some issues, but the Subpar Cache and Handicapped Integer Cores still limited performance, once AMD Realized the Architecture was not good for anything other than High Clock speeds and sucking power, they Scrapped Further Development on the AM3+ Platform and Hired Jim Keller to come back and start work on entirely new Design.

The engineers shifted the 15h Design to Low Power Fm2+ Platform and Slapped Some GCN Blocks onto it and the APU was Born.


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