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#4279675 - 07/17/16 07:29 AM Farnborough Airshow  
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So yesterday i went to to The Farmbrogh airshow there were some amazing displays everything from the A380 airbus to the Euro fighter there was even the new F-35.

Now the thing about the F-35 is it can hover and has stealth technology but apart from that it was totally outclassed by the Euro-fighter(Typhoon)i mean the F-35 has a huge Turing circle where as the Euro-fighter can turn on a sixpence really it is that good also the Euro-fighter is faster and can fly higher and move like nothing I have seen before. The guy from the USAF that was presenting the F-35 called it the future of air combat just no the F-15 outclasses it so does the harrier jump jet (and of course the Euro Fighter) anyway it was a good day with the Red Arrows the BOB Memorial flight and Yak 3.

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#4279690 - 07/17/16 09:46 AM Re: Farnborough Airshow [Re: Doogerie]  
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Glad you had fun there, studied Aerospace Engineering at the Uni there 20 years ago, when the DRA were opposite. Fond memories of my time living in Ash Vale nearby, well, what I can remember that is cheers

#4279706 - 07/17/16 12:54 PM Re: Farnborough Airshow [Re: Doogerie]  
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"The future of air combat" isn't about turn radius.


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#4279742 - 07/17/16 03:47 PM Re: Farnborough Airshow [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted By: F4UDash4
"The future of air combat" isn't about turn radius.


I guess we'll see. The USAF said that in the '50s, '60s, and '70s and was proved wrong every time.


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#4279753 - 07/17/16 04:45 PM Re: Farnborough Airshow [Re: Doogerie]  
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Glad you had a great time there, it's been a few years since I was there, my son-in-law was there on business through the week but he said it kept raining so the flying was a bit curtailed.

I was last there in 2004 and got a chance to get my hands on a Spitfire... even though it was only to help push it to a new position smile




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#4279968 - 07/18/16 08:40 PM Re: Farnborough Airshow [Re: vocatx]  
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Originally Posted By: vocatx
Originally Posted By: F4UDash4
"The future of air combat" isn't about turn radius.


I guess we'll see. The USAF said that in the '50s, '60s, and '70s and was proved wrong every time.


Yes, because they thought missiles were the future in an era when a computer took up a room. Now that we all carry phones with multiple times the power needed for manned flight to other planets, making missiles ever more deadly has been easy. At the same time, nonkinetic weapons have begun deployment so that you don't need even need to "shoot" the enemy anymore.
Just turn your radar on him, flip some switches, and he's out of the fight. No muss, no fuss, no high g maneuvers.




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#4279973 - 07/18/16 08:47 PM Re: Farnborough Airshow [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted By: vocatx
Originally Posted By: F4UDash4
"The future of air combat" isn't about turn radius.


I guess we'll see. The USAF said that in the '50s, '60s, and '70s and was proved wrong every time.


Yes, because they thought missiles were the future in an era when a computer took up a room. Now that we all carry phones with multiple times the power needed for manned flight to other planets, making missiles ever more deadly has been easy. At the same time, nonkinetic weapons have begun deployment so that you don't need even need to "shoot" the enemy anymore.
Just turn your radar on him, flip some switches, and he's out of the fight. No muss, no fuss, no high g maneuvers.


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Just because the USAF/USN were wrong to think air to air missiles were almost foolproof in 1970 doesn't mean that that they can't really be almost foolproof today, over FORTY YEARS later.

If turn radius were the be all and end all of air to air combat wouldn't most air forces still be flying biplanes?


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#4279999 - 07/18/16 11:00 PM Re: Farnborough Airshow [Re: Doogerie]  
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True. For decisions about combat viability, I'd defer judgement to the people who run our air forces. But when it comes to impressing kids (and kids at heart) at airshows; noise, speed, maneuverability, and sexiness are what turn heads. The F-35 has...er...noise.

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#4280075 - 07/19/16 10:12 AM Re: Farnborough Airshow [Re: vocatx]  
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Originally Posted By: vocatx
Originally Posted By: F4UDash4
"The future of air combat" isn't about turn radius.


I guess we'll see. The USAF said that in the '50s, '60s, and '70s and was proved wrong every time.


No, to be fair they said the future was in missiles smile

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Originally Posted By: Doogerie

Now the thing about the F-35 is it can hover and has stealth technology but apart from that it was totally outclassed by the Euro-fighter(Typhoon)i mean the F-35 has a huge Turing circle where as the Euro-fighter can turn on a sixpence really it is that good also the Euro-fighter is faster and can fly higher and move like nothing I have seen before. The guy from the USAF that was presenting the F-35 called it the future of air combat just no the F-15 outclasses it so does the harrier jump jet (and of course the Euro Fighter) anyway it was a good day with the Red Arrows the BOB Memorial flight and Yak 3.


However pretty airshow manoeuvres may not be all that useful in a gun fight? Who knows? But you can't base the worth of an aircraft by how it performs at a airshow when there is nothing on the line.

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If you want to talk about noise at airshows talk about Vulcans. Farnborough 1959.


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#4280106 - 07/19/16 03:05 PM Re: Farnborough Airshow [Re: Doogerie]  
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#4280114 - 07/19/16 03:28 PM Re: Farnborough Airshow [Re: Doogerie]  
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To this day, the loudest single plane I've ever heard was...a DC-8. With apparently its original engines.

Harriers, pretty loud. A B-1B, also pretty loud, especially when it uses burners on takeoff, then it's literally like 4 F-16s at once.

Yet nothing compared to the piercing, shrill scream of that DC-8. A good 110db at least of 5000+Hz mayhem. No one is impressed by it. No one says "ooh!" Most are covering their ears and wincing.

Little known fact, the DC-8 uses loudspeakers disguised as jet engines to propel itself thru the sky on the sound waves. Actual jet engines are quieter.



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