#4279706 - 07/17/16 12:54 PM
Re: Farnborough Airshow
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"The future of air combat" isn't about turn radius.
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#4279742 - 07/17/16 03:47 PM
Re: Farnborough Airshow
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"The future of air combat" isn't about turn radius. I guess we'll see. The USAF said that in the '50s, '60s, and '70s and was proved wrong every time.
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#4279968 - 07/18/16 08:40 PM
Re: Farnborough Airshow
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"The future of air combat" isn't about turn radius. I guess we'll see. The USAF said that in the '50s, '60s, and '70s and was proved wrong every time. Yes, because they thought missiles were the future in an era when a computer took up a room. Now that we all carry phones with multiple times the power needed for manned flight to other planets, making missiles ever more deadly has been easy. At the same time, nonkinetic weapons have begun deployment so that you don't need even need to "shoot" the enemy anymore. Just turn your radar on him, flip some switches, and he's out of the fight. No muss, no fuss, no high g maneuvers. The Jedi Master
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#4279973 - 07/18/16 08:47 PM
Re: Farnborough Airshow
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"The future of air combat" isn't about turn radius. I guess we'll see. The USAF said that in the '50s, '60s, and '70s and was proved wrong every time. Yes, because they thought missiles were the future in an era when a computer took up a room. Now that we all carry phones with multiple times the power needed for manned flight to other planets, making missiles ever more deadly has been easy. At the same time, nonkinetic weapons have begun deployment so that you don't need even need to "shoot" the enemy anymore. Just turn your radar on him, flip some switches, and he's out of the fight. No muss, no fuss, no high g maneuvers. +1 Just because the USAF/USN were wrong to think air to air missiles were almost foolproof in 1970 doesn't mean that that they can't really be almost foolproof today, over FORTY YEARS later. If turn radius were the be all and end all of air to air combat wouldn't most air forces still be flying biplanes?
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#4280075 - 07/19/16 10:12 AM
Re: Farnborough Airshow
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"The future of air combat" isn't about turn radius. I guess we'll see. The USAF said that in the '50s, '60s, and '70s and was proved wrong every time. No, to be fair they said the future was in missiles Mailman
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#4280076 - 07/19/16 10:13 AM
Re: Farnborough Airshow
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Now the thing about the F-35 is it can hover and has stealth technology but apart from that it was totally outclassed by the Euro-fighter(Typhoon)i mean the F-35 has a huge Turing circle where as the Euro-fighter can turn on a sixpence really it is that good also the Euro-fighter is faster and can fly higher and move like nothing I have seen before. The guy from the USAF that was presenting the F-35 called it the future of air combat just no the F-15 outclasses it so does the harrier jump jet (and of course the Euro Fighter) anyway it was a good day with the Red Arrows the BOB Memorial flight and Yak 3.
However pretty airshow manoeuvres may not be all that useful in a gun fight? Who knows? But you can't base the worth of an aircraft by how it performs at a airshow when there is nothing on the line. Mailman
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#4280106 - 07/19/16 03:05 PM
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ok grandad Regards Mailman
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#4280114 - 07/19/16 03:28 PM
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To this day, the loudest single plane I've ever heard was...a DC-8. With apparently its original engines.
Harriers, pretty loud. A B-1B, also pretty loud, especially when it uses burners on takeoff, then it's literally like 4 F-16s at once.
Yet nothing compared to the piercing, shrill scream of that DC-8. A good 110db at least of 5000+Hz mayhem. No one is impressed by it. No one says "ooh!" Most are covering their ears and wincing.
Little known fact, the DC-8 uses loudspeakers disguised as jet engines to propel itself thru the sky on the sound waves. Actual jet engines are quieter.
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