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#4276173 - 07/05/16 06:14 PM Do clothes make the man.  
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Had an interesting day in work today the boss asked me to sit in with him while he held interviews.
Had some very qualified candidates but man some of them really need to buy a suit.
jeans to an interview is a big no no.
I was only there for show had no real input on his choice.
I may be old fashioned on this topic, but I still believe a guy should dress in a suite for an occasion.
God I have turned in to my Dad. LoL
He used to make me where a suit shine my shoes etc for interviews when I was young.
Don't get me wrong I am all for casual attire when I worked for HP where wearing a suite and tie was not the thing the do.
Even the top managers whore smart casual cloths.
Mabey I am out of touch. So what do you guys thing Do cloths make the man.?

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#4276174 - 07/05/16 06:19 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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#4276176 - 07/05/16 06:23 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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If you are interviewing for a job at any kind of office enviornment then wearing a suit and tie is the smart thing to do.

I can't believe that someone came for an interview at your workplace marko wearing jeans! Was the person like 20 years old?


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#4276177 - 07/05/16 06:25 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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I guess it all depends on the business. As you say, suits in the IT world are rare an even considered a no-no for some people.

In personal life, no, clothing have the opposite effect on me. In my mind, if someone is making the effort to look sharp it's because they don't have anything else worth showing or saying.

Of course that's not true, but that's how I perceive the person wearing it.


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#4276179 - 07/05/16 06:32 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Suits are weird in many IT jobs. I'd feel like I look ridiculous applying for the job I have wearing a suit.


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#4276181 - 07/05/16 06:35 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: Peally]  
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Originally Posted By: Peally
Suits are weird in many IT jobs. I'd feel like I look ridiculous applying for the job I have wearing a suit.


When I worked for EDS years ago I had to wear a suit because that's what the client required. Try changing several color and black toner cartridges on printers while you're wearing a freaking suit and not get anything dirty. Fun times.

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#4276193 - 07/05/16 07:20 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Why do so many people on the internet put cloths instead of clothes?

#4276194 - 07/05/16 07:24 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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However you clothe yourself in a job you already have, depends on the "dress code" there. IT startups probably do not need a suit, of course. Also, during a normal day without visits from other companies etc. dress as usual, but never shabby.
For an application, a suit is imho the way to go.

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Originally Posted By: bailout
Why do so many people on the internet put cloths instead of clothes?


Wearing a loincloth to a job interview would be interesting. biggrin


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#4276199 - 07/05/16 07:31 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Or Braise and hose, pointed to your doublet, complete with cod flap or cod piece... tactical

#4276202 - 07/05/16 07:34 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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How about a grass skirt and a coconut brazier.

I haven't seen a guy were a full suit and tie for an IT job in 20 years.


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#4276203 - 07/05/16 07:34 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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#4276204 - 07/05/16 07:36 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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When I worked in IT, a tie was mandatory, not a suit, due to the fact that our office received a lot of customer visits. I changed toner and did lots of other maintenance tasks with a tie on as well. The bottom line is that I was part of the public face of my company, whether I liked it, or not.

And I certainly did wear a suit on job interviews. Using Ma'am and Sir, was largely due to the way I was raised. Failure to do so would quickly bring on the rath of my father, and that was not a pleasant experience. smile

I should add that we were expected to exercise good judgement if we were visiting a customer site. Depending on the site, I might go with khakis and polo shirt but the White House or similar location was always suit and tie. Nobody told you what to wear but it was generally understood.

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#4276205 - 07/05/16 07:41 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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I see a lot of guys wearing suits but they aren't tailored- this usually means the jacket and pants look at least one or two sizes too large. If someone goes through the trouble of buying a suit, it undoes the appearance when it doesn't fit.

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I did a college internship in IBM on the early '90s. Everyone had to wear a tie, suit was optional. Only management wore a suit at all times.

I went back there for a short time 10 years later. A manager was wearing shorts (with a hole in them) and sandals. A young programmer had a collection of Mountain Dew cans on his office (floor to ceiling) and wore what looked like surfer clothes.

They were the norm at that time.

I felt so out of place, but it was what they needed to do to keep the "young talent".


Where I work now, it is required to wear business casual attire. But actually no one cares what anyone wears (as long as it is not something in where a customer will be involved). I just dress casual on Fridays.

#4276214 - 07/05/16 08:07 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
If you are interviewing for a job at any kind of office enviornment then wearing a suit and tie is the smart thing to do.

I can't believe that someone came for an interview at your workplace marko wearing jeans! Was the person like 20 years old?



No he was in his early thirty's and a very nice/smart guy.
IMO, He was the best candidate for the job.
He is on the short list for the vacancy.

Tomorrow I have to try to check references for those short listed.
The issue with this is nobody will tell the full truth about a former employee because there have been cases were former employees have sued when informed they had received a bad reference.
So pretty much everybody will just confirm dates and qualifications they wont answer questions about attitude time keeping attendance you have to try to read between the lines I am not a HR guy no training/experience in this area at all
The HR dept consists of my boss. and know it seems me.

#4276225 - 07/05/16 08:27 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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I always thought the guys in Richard Lester's 'Three Musketeers' dressed very impressively, particularly Oliver Reed's Athos. I'd like that style to come back. Them's some fancy duds.

I could then go about, calling knaves 'varlet' and the varlets 'dogsbody' without getting a second glance. And if one of the churls should bite his thumb at me, well, honor demands satisfaction.


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#4276226 - 07/05/16 08:29 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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I've found that generally, dressing well {as in tastefully and appropriate to the situation} makes a big difference in the way people respond to you.

I've had two good job offers develop from my shoes alone, when the would-be employer noticed that I had handcrafted footwear.

Female attention seems to be rather more forthcoming as well, so yeah, why not put a little more attention into your dress detail?

#4276227 - 07/05/16 08:31 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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A guy once said to me if Jesus and Adolf Hitler tried to get in to a night club.
but only one gained entry who do you think it was and why.?
Obviously it was Hitler he always wore a shirt and tie.

#4276228 - 07/05/16 08:31 PM Re: Do cloths make the man. [Re: marko1231123]  
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It's funny that this topic comes up today, as I'm going to an interview tomorrow. And I'm most likely not going to wear a suit, tie, or even a proper shirt.

I do own some very nice tailor-made shirts that I wear when going out, but in IT I see it as being unauthentic. It's a job where people wear T-Shirts 364 days a year (maybe only not for the corporate christmas party) so dressing up for the interview to show a person you really aren't to me is fake. When I did interviews myself six, seven years ago I told the candidates to show up like they would come to a normal work day.

Like Wiley says above, some people in some jobs, if they show up all dressed, you end up wondering what they are trying to play over. For this company, the first interview was done on Skype, and both my potential teamleader as well as his manager were not wearing anything special.

But yeah, I guess it depends on the environment, and if you are facing clients obviously. However, I'm quite happy that I work in areas where looks aren't what gets you the position, rather it's your interaction and abilities. Worked too long for some asset management companies, saw too many people with a lot of suits but very little brains.

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