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#4274474 - 06/29/16 01:34 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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I ordered the Sapphire RX-480 8GB. Cost me $244 (with shipping) -- a $14 premium overall. And, Newegg "slow" shipping frown


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so far in benches that favor nVidia, RX480 exceeds 390X and bareley touches Fury GTX 970 and 980s,, in AMD favored engines, it stomps 970 and 980s and barely matches 390/X

At 1080P


As you move thru 1440p to 4K the 480 drops to below 390X.

The Power Consumption numbers dont match up tho.

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#4274481 - 06/29/16 01:53 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/29.html


of course they skimped on the cooler, Id remove it and repaced with an AiO water cooler.

Remove shroud, remove heatsink, mount AiO, cut tube holes in the shroud, remount shroud, keep fan for blowing on VRM and memory.

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#4274484 - 06/29/16 02:02 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Here's a typical chart of FPS vs Time 1440P Ultra Fallout 4.

Of interest to me is the fact that the chart wiggles a lot. Rather than "do the exact math", I look at the overall impression.

It would be hard to tell the compared cards apart just by playing the games. My favorite mantra, one can "measure" a difference, but it would be hard or impossible to "see".

At the point where framerate drops for an extended period (a key point) RX480 tends (not always) to be towards the top (not on the top). One won't "see" the difference, but its in the right direction.

I note that my "impressions" are "subjective" to an extent -- but, what we "see" is subjective (vs. Objective measurement).





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#4274506 - 06/29/16 03:05 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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The card only had 32 ROP's, that in itself is impressive. Slam 64
into the equation you got yourself a 1440p contender. IMHO

A great 1080p card for a more than reasonable amount of dough.

Asking price for a 1070 is $580-620 for a 1070 where I am. Having said that
Go! AMD Go!


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#4274510 - 06/29/16 03:14 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
so far in benches that favor nVidia, RX480 exceeds 390X and bareley touches Fury GTX 970 and 980s,, in AMD favored engines, it stomps 970 and 980s and barely matches 390/X
At 1080P
As you move thru 1440p to 4K the 480 drops to below 390X.
The Power Consumption numbers dont match up tho.


Yeah, now that some real game benchmarks are coming out, it looks like the RX480 is a good priced card that is on par with the GTX970 and not the GTX980 as some of the leaked artificial benchmarks suggested (plus or minus the titles that favor AMD or NV and vice versa). To be honest I think the those leaked artificial benchmarks cause more harm than good as far as setting expectations that this would perform like a 980 and now you get the inevitable disappointment of reality.



Still great value for something that matches the 970, the 480 will definitely make Nvidia have to drop their prices on the 970/980.

Here's hoping AMD also have something up their sleeve to battle with the 1070/1080, which is more what I am interested in.

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#4274517 - 06/29/16 03:25 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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also gotta look at driver tuning for polaris.


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#4274518 - 06/29/16 03:26 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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DX12 should be a strength of RX480 versus the previous generation Nvidia cards. A comprehensive review article posts this chart. Note the RX480 outperforms 970 and 980 (on average) by a notable amount (in this article). As usual, the differences may not be "visible" when playing.



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#4274519 - 06/29/16 03:27 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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I have seen several reviews today. They have one thing in common.

They are all over the place.

There seem to be kind of consistent in the 480 numbers (I guess because all we have right now are reference cards).

But the Nvidia numbers are inconsistent among testers. Everyone is using different cards. Some even using factory overclocked cards.

On the average though, AMD achieved what they wanted/promised.

But other than that it gets confusing, as people pick and choose results to reinforce their particular bias.

#4274520 - 06/29/16 03:34 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Yeah agreed the 480 is a good card for the mid level gamer market sector and well priced, unfortunately I think the artificial leaked benchmarks just provided fuel for the fanboys to stoke the fire before (AMD fanboys expecting a 980 competitor for $200) and after release (Nvidia fanboys doing the I told you so).

That's one reason I don't put much faith in rumors or leaks and wait for actual game benchmarks.


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#4274523 - 06/29/16 03:43 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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to amend my previous statement about Nvidia engines and AMD favored engines.


the Rx480 easily stomps the entire 980 and below line in almost every DX12 Engine.

Im gonna wait to see Partner Cards, if not mod the Reference Cooling.

But only 1 review had the off power and heat numbers, I think they got a bad card.

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#4274525 - 06/29/16 03:49 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
to amend my previous statement about Nvidia engines and AMD favored engines.
the Rx480 easily stomps the entire 980 and below line in almost every DX12 Engine.


Can you provide some examples?

The ones I've seen are not any sort of easily stomping, unless you consider 2fps at 1080p and then level at 1440p, and 1 FPS less at 4K on Total Warhammer and then exactly even fps on Ashes of Singularity...

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-r9-rx-480-8gb-review,12.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_r9_rx_480_8gb_review,13.html

I'm honestly interested to see if there are some real world game stomp examples, otherwise those kinds of exaggerated statements are what leads to bad expectations and then I told you so's.

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#4274528 - 06/29/16 04:04 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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for clarification, when I say stomp, i mean beats another gpus scores/stats while costing significantly less.


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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
for clarification, when I say stomp, i mean beats another gpus scores/stats while costing significantly less.


Ok cool, thanks for clarifying, I agree, it's definitely a terrific bang for the buck especially on DX12 titles.

Anyone seen any realworld game benchmarks with crossfired 2x480 versus the competition?

Haven't really seen any yet.


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most of the DX12 benches were ran with ASync off to make it fair.

if you turn on Async, AMD FPS jump.


there was a link in my RSS feed for 2,3,,4 way xfire benches article, but it 404s when clicked, and after refreshing rss its gone.


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EK has released pix of the 480 Waterblocks...


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haha....


Buddy of mine got his off the shelf at local shop, they got plenty, we gonna overclock the bejeevies out of it.


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I see Newegg (where I ordered mine) is out of stock of all brands. So, I guess I did okay both getting a card and the manufacturer I wanted.

The only review issue I've come across for RX-480 Reference cards is that some reviewers don't like the Reference cooler. But, that's to be expected in a "reference" device -- its the cheapest version usually -- and AMD typically skimps on the cooler.

Anyhow, now I wait 4 to 7 days for it to arrive. Then, I'll see for myself how it handles what I play versus my HD7970s.


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Originally Posted By: Allen
I see Newegg (where I ordered mine) is out of stock of all brands. So, I guess I did okay both getting a card and the manufacturer I wanted.

The only review issue I've come across for RX-480 Reference cards is that some reviewers don't like the Reference cooler. But, that's to be expected in a "reference" device -- its the cheapest version usually -- and AMD typically skimps on the cooler.

Anyhow, now I wait 4 to 7 days for it to arrive. Then, I'll see for myself how it handles what I play versus my HD7970s.


The reference cooler is pretty cheap, Its simply a small aluminum heatsink with copper contact plate, no heat pipes, no vapor chambers, and it only covers the gpu area, everything else is cooled from small cheap heat plate.

like I said,
If the mounting holes are the same, Id swap out the heatsink with a cooler on one of my retired Cards,

Or Mount a $30 AiO water cooler to the GPU, likely needing a shim, then some copper heatsinks to The ram and vrm modules cut a space or remove the top shroud plate and make a custom one to allow space for AiO hoses and use the centro fan to push air over the copper sinks w/o void warranty for cutting shroud cover..

I think they might be throttling in these benchmarks, specially when 3 sites repprted load temps of 85°c+


For me, the best case scenario is the heatsink mounting holes are the same size as previous ones,

I have a 7870XT Sapphire DualX Cooler, Sapphire 7950 DualX Cooler, and 3 MSI R7970 Lightning Twin Frozer Coolers (1 was an Extra i got on ebay for $5).

All of which will be replaced as I get new cards, so the 7870XT has a heatsink that's rated for well above anything the Polaris Chip will put out.


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Good suggestions. It would be nice to have a "left over cooler" to switch out.

If heat is an issue, I'd prefer a cheap water cooler to match my water cooled CPU. However, money is an object based on "principle" -- so, I'd go cheap. In my view, RX480 Reference is not a "good deal" if I must replace the cooler to get acceptable performance. We'll see smile

[edit] Just checked. Cooling is too pricey,

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