#4259240 - 05/12/16 11:23 AM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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#4271232 - 06/18/16 01:19 AM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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After reading almost all pages as my before sleep reading time, I decided to post and give my somewhat 2 cents, or 3...
I have been playing Falcon BMS in March to April, and now EF2000 Reloaded, and even after playing DCS:World for a while I never got the feeling I get on Falcon and DiD EF2000 in its single player campaign. Sure I get it on the multiplayer in DCS, but I'm more of a single player myself. Although in multiplayer I have yet to find one that matches the old Il-2 series and the Novalogic F-16/MiG-29/F-22 series.
I wish DCS would take a page of Novalogic in the late 90's and early noughties(lol), and allow us a multiplayer like it, and especially allow us to choose which plane we want without several constraints placed by the mission maker. Yes, this comes after a few frustrations trying to fly the only NATO fast plane, the F-15c, with its slots being all full.
I miss that open ended of territorial conquest, after having only a restart when all objectives have been completed.
Time for me to go back to DiD EF2000, I'm itching to feel that "alive" campaign feel again. Even if the graphics look outdated, it is still great! I just had a dogfight with 4 Su-35's and I lost my wingman, but I managed to kill all 4 of them before more Russians arrived. In one such case, it seems either the missile took its time, or took a longer turn, or something else happened, but as soon as I was turning to use guns on the Su-35, it hit the plane... Seeing that blast and then the plume of smoke, while the Russian reinforcement started to lock on me was a sensation I never felt in DCS. I decided to check my stores and seeing I only had one missile left, I decided run for my life using the mountains of Sweden as cover. To finish it, I landed safely! --ish... Without rudder is a bit hard! Hahaha (I got it mapped on the other throttle lever on my Warthog, but it is still difficult to use and I instinctively use my feet)
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#4271296 - 06/18/16 09:16 AM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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I've been flying Falcon 4.0 in all its flavours since it came out in 1998. Still by far the best simulation, not only in terms of avionics and FM (DCS is on par here), but the sense of war, the feeling that things are going on around you, that your actions have consequences. It's totally immersive even in SP, while DCS feels like nothing more than en empty box, with totally dumb AI and no ground war. Let's face it, DCS has absolutely nothing in terms of AI, weapons and ATC. There has been no noticeable evolution in any of these areas since lock-on.
ED has a very very long way to go, to even scratch the surface of how deep Flaocn 4.0 is and was, even in 1998. But again, they are so self-celebrating, I don't think any of the above will ever get a serious look at.
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#4271309 - 06/18/16 11:25 AM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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Indeed! I would be so happy if ED could release a dynamic campaign for DCS, and aircraft at FC3 or CAP2/USAF/EF2000/TAW/Strike fighters level to build up the number of planes and increase the number of players/sales. If there was a particular interest in an aircraft, they could, then allow a 3rd party(Or ED themselves) to make a full A-10C level simulator out of it.
My fingers are itching for an F-4 in multiplayer! I share your point of view I've been flying Falcon 4.0 in all its flavours since it came out in 1998. Still by far the best simulation, not only in terms of avionics and FM (DCS is on par here), but the sense of war, the feeling that things are going on around you, that your actions have consequences. It's totally immersive even in SP, while DCS feels like nothing more than en empty box, with totally dumb AI and no ground war. Let's face it, DCS has absolutely nothing in terms of AI, weapons and ATC. There has been no noticeable evolution in any of these areas since lock-on.
ED has a very very long way to go, to even scratch the surface of how deep Flaocn 4.0 is and was, even in 1998. But again, they are so self-celebrating, I don't think any of the above will ever get a serious look at. you are 100% right.
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#4271312 - 06/18/16 11:35 AM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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Indeed! I would be so happy if ED could release a dynamic campaign for DCS, and aircraft at FC3 or CAP2/USAF/EF2000/TAW/Strike fighters level to build up the number of planes and increase the number of players/sales. If there was a particular interest in an aircraft, they could, then allow a 3rd party(Or ED themselves) to make a full A-10C level simulator out of it.
My fingers are itching for an F-4 in multiplayer! Can't agree more with you mate! FC3 level of aircraft will let the player fly more planes properly, will give more scenario availability and will make the game more diverse. I think ED should make a serious poll as big as possible offering the users to choose what they want for future modules, hifi modules with 1 plane each 1-2 or sometimes 3 years, or FC3 level planes at one each 6 months.
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#4271349 - 06/18/16 03:15 PM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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Indeed! I would be so happy if ED could release a dynamic campaign for DCS, and aircraft at FC3 or CAP2/USAF/EF2000/TAW/Strike fighters level to build up the number of planes and increase the number of players/sales. If there was a particular interest in an aircraft, they could, then allow a 3rd party(Or ED themselves) to make a full A-10C level simulator out of it.
My fingers are itching for an F-4 in multiplayer! Can't agree more with you mate! FC3 level of aircraft will let the player fly more planes properly, will give more scenario availability and will make the game more diverse. I think ED should make a serious poll as big as possible offering the users to choose what they want for future modules, hifi modules with 1 plane each 1-2 or sometimes 3 years, or FC3 level planes at one each 6 months. Last time ED did a poll a dynamic campaign came out on top. I don't think they really care what the customers want. I see no dynamic campaign and no mention of one from the devs.
DCS Kickstarter Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable." Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4271367 - 06/18/16 04:42 PM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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I've been flying Falcon 4.0 in all its flavours since it came out in 1998. Still by far the best simulation, not only in terms of avionics and FM (DCS is on par here), but the sense of war, the feeling that things are going on around you, that your actions have consequences. It's totally immersive even in SP, while DCS feels like nothing more than en empty box, with totally dumb AI and no ground war. Let's face it, DCS has absolutely nothing in terms of AI, weapons and ATC. There has been no noticeable evolution in any of these areas since lock-on.
ED has a very very long way to go, to even scratch the surface of how deep Flaocn 4.0 is and was, even in 1998. But again, they are so self-celebrating, I don't think any of the above will ever get a serious look at. This reminds me of a flight I had, during night time in Korea in Falcon. Strange, how I have no cherishing or even worthy memories from DCS, even if I played some of their missions and campaign. I was climbing, had the night vision off and watching the last few drops of sunlight disappear in the horizon when I noticed, just over the DMZ, flashes on the ground. I kept flying and looking at it and thinking "I'm so glad I'm not on the ground right now!". Then, on another mission, in the afternoon, a flight was escorting me to my objective, which was to bomb a few buildings. One of my escorts got shot down, and ejected. I completed my mission, and while I was turning, I saw the other escort flying in circles around where his wingman got shot down. It kept circling there for a good while, and since I had fuel, and missiles I decided to join too. Eventually he had to return, and I kept in there for a little while longer, since I still had my drop tanks and enough fuel to return. But, after a while, I had to RTB. That's when, on my way back, I noticed a blackhawk flying right under me. If that helicopter was meant to recover the downed pilot, or for something else, I don't know, but it was an amazing experience.
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#4271370 - 06/18/16 05:23 PM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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Last time ED did a poll a dynamic campaign came out on top. I don't think they really care what the customers want. I see no dynamic campaign and no mention of one from the devs.
If I recall correctly too, there hasn't been a single mention of progress in the last 4 'newsletters' either.....only sales patter and bundles.
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#4271395 - 06/18/16 07:19 PM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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Last time ED did a poll a dynamic campaign came out on top. I don't think they really care what the customers want. I see no dynamic campaign and no mention of one from the devs.
If I recall correctly too, there hasn't been a single mention of progress in the last 4 'newsletters' either.....only sales patter and bundles. I recall that poll, but since it happened I've never even heard a single peep in favour of it or any progress whatsoever about the dynamic campaign from ED. I think, it is safe to say that not even a single 0 or 1 has been written in favor of that.
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#4271403 - 06/18/16 08:01 PM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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Then, on another mission, in the afternoon, a flight was escorting me to my objective, which was to bomb a few buildings. One of my escorts got shot down, and ejected. I completed my mission, and while I was turning, I saw the other escort flying in circles around where his wingman got shot down. It kept circling there for a good while, and since I had fuel, and missiles I decided to join too. Eventually he had to return, and I kept in there for a little while longer, since I still had my drop tanks and enough fuel to return. But, after a while, I had to RTB. That's when, on my way back, I noticed a blackhawk flying right under me. If that helicopter was meant to recover the downed pilot, or for something else, I don't know, but it was an amazing experience. Yup. If you want CSAR in DCS, it has to be the main focus of the mission, with loads and loads of efforts dedicated towards it. In BMS it just happens, it's a routine part of the campaign and can happen with any flight.
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#4271420 - 06/18/16 09:13 PM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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I like DCS for the COIN warfare capability it have, the mission editor being so powerful. But for all warfare I think there are other options around.
-Sir in case of retreat, were we have to retreat?? -To the Graveyard!!
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#4271428 - 06/18/16 10:16 PM
Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus
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When I last played DCS, I was concentrating on making a mission that would generate AI flights once a player was at an airfield or when at a certain distance during RTB. The idea here was to give the game a little more atmosphere. Because of all the "loading times" that I had to endure, well, I didn't endure it for long.
The first few flights I had with my buddies in Falcon 4 BMS, we were on egress and panicked as 4 blips seemed to be coming right for us. Turned out it was a flight of 4 F-15s on RTB and one of the players exclaimed "you don't see that in DCS!" and he was right. Most of the time, for that to happen, we would have to script it in ourselves. This time, we did none of that so nobody really had a clue whether it was friendlies or bogeys. Just the thought of that, the thought of stuff happening around you that most of the time have nothing at all to do with your mission, gives a very strong immersion factor. You are part of a theatre that is ALIVE, that is has so many things going on.
DCS could simulate such a thing with it's quick mission editor, but fly outside the "bubble" and there's nothing.
A lot of people like DCS because it gives them lots of aircraft to fly in. Sure. Some people love driving cars and don't realize they are doing so in an empty parking lot.
Dynamic campaign? Yeah, that won in one of the polls. Good luck with that. It seems like ED is having a hard enough time just making aircraft and scenery.
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