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#4257626 - 05/07/16 11:47 PM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Stache: i see in your specs that youve got your CPU and GPU oc,ed have you tryed Stock clocks to see the results 1st?
apologies if you have ..best of luck

Andy: i feel for you i really do it looks like youve tried everything within your power,i also agree that the cfs3 config.exe could be used to give more "optimization" to the player..i hope you eventually get sorted

Bronx : i have no stutters,i dont do videos ive never done one in my life,i wouldnt know where to start TBH but..i dont need to "prove" anything
WOFF works perfectly fine for me and countless others,if it didn,t the forum would be awash with posts (i would be the first one to complain believe me)

I really hope you guys sort out YOUR problems with WOFF i really do..anyway best of luck... im out

Edit: Andy players with problems are always welcomed here,people can only advise to the best of their knowledge pal

KKsnowbear..I commend you on your efforts to nail down the cause of yours and others stutters i truely hope you find your answers ,i also hope that things can be kept civil,the very best of luck with your findings

Anyway like i said best of luck guys..il leave this thread well alone now


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#4257628 - 05/07/16 11:50 PM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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DukeIronHand, yes, really.
Just prove it that you have no stutterings.
Can you do that ? I'm affraid you can't

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#4257629 - 05/07/16 11:56 PM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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I'll do my best to do that, although I've really never done a video. So bear with me. TBH, I am happy to accommodate your request, but the idea is to see a machine that *does not* stutter, not one that does smile


Thank you - but really the process is to SEE the results both ways.
With stutters and without.
Without both nothing will be learned.

Adger - my Video is the same as Bronxx and it is OC'ed by default.
As for the CPU again, the MB Bios did that by default and it only OC'd from 4 to 4.2.


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#4257630 - 05/08/16 12:02 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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You sir are a real weinie.
I have zero to prove to the likes of you but just to humor you for the last time please pay attention.
I don't get stutters. Understand. I never said I never get them but not enough to be a concern.
Examples: Two dogfights flying with J11 in WOFF 3. Nvidia settings maxed out/WOFF at default.
First dogfight at low level vs Sopwith Triplanes I had one stutter. If I wasn't glued to the screen I would have missed it it was so fast.
Dogfight #2 again with J11 on a cloudy day over the front. HiRes skins and 7 Alb's vs 6 Nieuports. Started high ended low. NO stutter at all. If you choose not to believe me I could really care less.
If there is an "Ignore" feature on this forum please click my name.

#4257632 - 05/08/16 12:05 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Come'on - Quote each other and start your own thread.

Please stop cluttering up this one.

Thank you.


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#4257634 - 05/08/16 12:08 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Hi Stache,My GPU came factory oc,ed...it creates extra heat compared with stock clock,which in turn could possibly lead to other things including stuttering in WOFF and other titles
I had issues with artifacts ,random stutterings big framerate fluctuations in AAA titles (GTA 5) amongst them.
Also the same could be said of CPU,s been OC,ed..i put my GPU at stock and believe it or not the titles ran better
I have more than adequate cooling in my system.I think a lot of people think "Overclocking gets me a faster system"..it doesn,t always work like that pal
Even if the DEVS gave advice i believe their 1st advice to Anyone would be to return to stock speeds on your GPU,CPU and memory,and try from there.
like ive said apologies to any and all who have tried at stock clocks..and i sincerely hope that all of you with issues find your solution..very best of luck guys

Edit:Stache..please please try everything at stock clock speed (GPU,CPU and mem) and see if things improve good luck


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#4257635 - 05/08/16 12:11 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Okay, Duke.
You're happy with WOFF, but won't show us the prove.
How comes ?


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#4257637 - 05/08/16 12:18 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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@kknowsbear the test you setup has autoweather - that is too random - weather should be set, please choose one and advise

@Adger - to date I have not observed any stuttering on my system, so I should not need to do anything to improve. Will just do initial testing as is. And there is now way to un-OC the video card - it comes that way from the factory, this card costs more than a "standard" card because of that.


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#4257641 - 05/08/16 12:30 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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When you have no Stutters at all, Stache, what are you doing in this Thread? You could ignore this whole Stuff, lean yourself back, relax in your Pilot-Seat and enjoy the Game. I do not want to read your "I don't have any Stutters"-Postings, because it's boring. You don't have Stutters? Then you are a lucky User, it's just simple as that. But keep it for yourself, I do not want to know this.


You have attacked me, so I make the same with you.


This Place is totally #%&*$# up for me.

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#4257646 - 05/08/16 12:40 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Andy, if they have no stutters at all, they should prove, not just talk and give advices.


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#4257648 - 05/08/16 12:47 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Will you guys listen to yourselves for a moment. You guys are in the process of destroying what I love most about this forum. I mean seriously, you are on the verge of cursing at each other over a computer game. Andy73 and all, I feel your pain and understand your frustrations and yes I have stutters from time to time as well. Honestly, I don't think you are ever going to find the cause of the stutters. Can we not all just agree that not everyone has the same experience with WOFF? Remember, if someone has a complaint or problem with WOFF it isn't a personal attack, it's just a game for Heaven's sake. I know now I'm going to be attacked for saying what I've said, but this forum has been so great because we don't behave like this.


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#4257649 - 05/08/16 12:47 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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#4257652 - 05/08/16 12:54 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Seriously, I am out now of this whole Stuff. I do not expect any Help from anyone, and I haven't expected it, to be honest. Good Luck with your further Discussions. Andy

#4257659 - 05/08/16 01:13 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm sorry to see you go.


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#4257678 - 05/08/16 02:27 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Lots of stuttering here also.After some testing of various things I noticed that dropping resolution down doesn't seem to change the resolution in game which is odd.I had set 4K resolution before with no issues but just now I even went down as low as 800x600 and still fps drops down to 45 and stutters.

So then I opened WOFFtoolbox and noticed my resolution was set at 4096x2160 which I read is 4K HD where 4K normal is 3840x2160.Went back in game and its still 4K and when I checked toolbox it reverted to 4096x2160 again.

Anyone have an idea to allow me to set a lower resolution? Also,maybe people with stutters are getting this same issue?

#4257679 - 05/08/16 02:31 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Here is my video



Eager to see yours kknowsbear.

Could have picked an easier plane to fly - first time in a DR1.
Really need to use the rudder in this puppy.


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#4257682 - 05/08/16 02:47 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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I'll get it done as soon as possible. In the meantime, I'd honestly have to admit that yours seems a helluva lot more 'stable' than mine's sever been. So that's good news.

A few points, though:
- A fairly large stutter right at about :56, and this is very similar to the ones I get a lot (more) of.
- You use some aiming mechanism/sight that I don't, and I'm wondering if this has to do with less stutter (because it means less to 'draw' on the screen. I hope my video will clarify this.
- There are times when the DH2 is out of sight, and I wonder if this might also mean less stuttering. I apologize if I wasn't explicit enough, but the idea is to keep him in view as much as possible.
- You let him go past you, but oddly he always turns left *well* before coming close to me (of course I realize there's nothing guaranteeing it to be identical - yet it's *always* the same when I fly it). I hope to show in my video that one of the most prominent stutters is just as he moves to my left, as opposed to yours where he comes straight at you. Maybe this is also a difference - to your point about tests being standardized and identical.

Also, to your earlier point, I could specify weather, but TBH the weather never seems to make a difference, nor workshop or GPU settings, or anything else. Always the exact same result.

Let me see how I fare with making a video.

And thank you so very much for your willingness to try this.

Incidentally, regarding the differences I mentioned above: I"ve often wondered if *this* didn't explain why some see stutters and others don't. Think about it - the different views, zooming, etc and so forth. I personally believe that these differences may well explain things - hence my desire to have this test.

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#4257684 - 05/08/16 02:51 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: Banjoman]  
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Originally Posted By: Banjoman
...I feel your pain and understand your frustrations and yes I have stutters from time to time as well. Honestly, I don't think you are ever going to find the cause of the stutters. Can we not all just agree that not everyone has the same experience with WOFF? Remember, if someone has a complaint or problem with WOFF it isn't a personal attack, it's just a game for Heaven's sake.


Banjoman - thank you so much for your honesty and willingness to hear what is being said. You are 100% correct, it is NOT a personal attack, and it totally sucks that it's sometimes taken that way.

Thank you again.

#4257687 - 05/08/16 03:05 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Stache - may I assume you are using ShadowPlay to record? I looked briefly and didn't see a watermark (a la Fraps or what-have-you)

I desperately do not wish to have this deteriorate into a discussion about recording methods, problems, etc...but I thought I should at least try to do mine like you did.

(Of course, it means installing the [stupid] GeForce Experience...I so hate 'helper' apps, and I diligently avoid running more and more 'shovelware' BS on my machines...)

#4257689 - 05/08/16 03:09 AM Re: A challenge? [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Hi,

Actually that was not a stutter at :56, That was me pressing the HAT switch. (Which does not work when using TrackIR.)
Then I have button on the stick to change the function of the hat switch on my joystick from its normal HAT mode function to Zoom in / Zoom out.
Will be happy to re-record without doing that.
It is just habit part of my normal flying.

I do that using the Thrustmaster Target Scripting software.

The Gun Site mode is toggling the F6 - Standard WOFF
Will be more than happy to re-record without doing that function.

I am sorry for my poor piloting skills, I really was doing the best I could to follow the plane..
As mentioned I am brand new to flying the DR1.

I was hoping that following the DH2 for over a minute in a circle would be enough to satisfy this.

Will be more than happy to do any additional testing.

Yes record with ShadowPlay at 1080.

I did have the WOFF Z mode turned on to show the FPS

If you want me to use FRAPS - Let me know and I will install it.


Yes he does turn to the left, but it does not happen before he reaches me.
If I stay a bit more to the right it is easier for me to keep him in site.



Last edited by Stache; 05/08/16 03:50 AM. Reason: :56, ShadowPlay, Z Mode; Install FRAPS?, turning to left

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