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#4252348 - 04/24/16 01:46 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: ST0RM]  
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Originally Posted By: ST0RM
I spent $10 on the Hawk, buying it second hand from a guy. So that's all I've got invested in it. It doesn't break my bank to delete it and shrug it off as a bad investment.


Give yourself a pat on the back.

Round of applause for this man, someone open the bar and buy this man a round

I offered mine up for free, no one wanted it.....so since i'm stuck with it I have decided to save anyone else the disappointment and review it.

In fact I do remember your post in the campaign after campaign thread. It seems you have had a memory lapse and forgot my reply to it, so let me refresh your memory.

Originally Posted By: ST0RM
I do agree, in that I'm not happy with the progress of things, but I'm powerless to change that. So I shrug and move on and wait.


So keep shrugging and move right along, nothing for you to see here.

To the rest of you with the same view as ST0RM, I refute your claim that you are powerless to change it. If this thread and what is written in it sways just 1 persons opinion to not buy the hawk. I have achieved the goal,


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#4252352 - 04/24/16 02:35 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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So Can you tell me where in the world is Carmen San Diego too?


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#4252356 - 04/24/16 03:20 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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I am powerless to change anything on the Hawk. It's out of my hands. But I've now spoken and removed the module.

#4252364 - 04/24/16 04:19 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
So Can you tell me where in the world is Carmen San Diego too?


Probably buried in the bugs hidden within the hawk code....you claim you have some knowledge in programming, i'd suggest you start looking there

#4252392 - 04/24/16 06:20 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted By: Winfield
you claim you have some knowledge in programming, i'd suggest you start looking there


Why would he have access to source code?

#4252409 - 04/24/16 09:49 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted By: Winfield
you claim you have some knowledge in programming, i'd suggest you start looking there


Why would he have access to source code?


Ah Sobek buddy. It's been a while since you posted anything related to the 'topic' at hand in a thread both here or anywhere for that matter. Skate above you did make an effort earlier in his posts to stay on topic before the moderator instinct took over with his attempt to derail the thread when it can't be locked or merged it so it can be lost in the thousands of bogus threads hosted in forums he moderates.

I had high hopes (as I did the hawk EFM) that your next comment would have been constructive....How wrong was I. Instead the comparison here is like a Priest with a bible in hand, standing at the podium ready to voice his sermon to the sinners and non sinners in the forum, or in this case Hawk lovers and haters", I was waiting for the shining lights to rain down on the thread, just as I had hoped the sun reflection would light up my 'worn' hawk cockpit 3 days ago but that never happened, instead the only lights flickering was blue screen, black screen, blue screen each time the hawk failed to load.

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#4252412 - 04/24/16 10:07 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted By: Winfield
Originally Posted By: Sobek
Originally Posted By: Winfield
you claim you have some knowledge in programming, i'd suggest you start looking there


Why would he have access to source code?


Ah Sobek buddy. It's been a while since you posted anything related to the 'topic' at hand in a thread both here or anywhere for that matter. Skate above you did make an effort earlier in his posts to stay on topic before the moderator instinct took over with his attempt to derail the thread when it can't be locked or merged it so it can be lost in the thousands of bogus threads hosted in forums he moderates.

I had high hopes (as I did the hawk EFM) that your next comment would have been constructive....How wrong was I. Instead the comparison here is like a Priest with a bible in hand, standing at the podium ready to voice his sermon to the sinners and non sinners in the forum, or in this case Hawk lovers and haters", I was waiting for the shining lights to rain down on the thread, just as I had hoped the sun reflection would light up my 'worn' hawk cockpit 3 days ago but that never happened, instead the only lights flickering was blue screen, black screen, blue screen each time the hawk failed to load.


If the topic is agreeing entirely with your point of view, i may be somewhat OT. If the title has any bearing on the topic of this thread however, i certainly find my question more focused on the topic than you throwing straw man arguments at me and skate...

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#4252432 - 04/24/16 12:27 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Righto gents, it has been a hectic 3 days with WIP's etc and finding time in between to test and report on the hawk EFM (always time to post on the hawk, nando's, WIP's and WTF??!!). Let me add fuel to the fire regarding the damage model which is entirely realistic. VEAO commented on my EFM Damage model video. Mind you, instead of typing up a fix to the CTD as stated in an earlier post of mine. Instead the dev's are kicking back watching youtube video's rather than working on bug fixes.

With out further Ado, here is the quote

Originally Posted By: 'I plant trees@VEAO Simulations'
1 day ago
As you can clearly see from your video the collision model of the truck is not very much and therefore will not do much damage to the fuselage. Try driving the Hawk wing into it and see what happens. Also the "explosions" from the other aircraft in our opinion are way too high for the amount of damage they receive.Most real aircraft will not explode in this manner when they are clipped and Hawk has been made to this standard.I would also suggest you spawn a Hawk in with a couple of BTR's around it and let them open up on you. You will then see the damage model in it's full glory.I accept that the aircraft should fall to the ground when the gear is damaged and this is being fixed.Driving into objects on the ground is not a good "test" of an aircraft damage model.But feel free to troll all you like as I'm sure you have nothing better to do!!


Proof it was never tested both on the ground or in the air, yet 'the tree hugger' swears by how ultra realistic this module actually is. I have invited the 'tree squirrel' to read this thread and explain the situation, as you can see that has not yet happened. The 'hawk' needs to be scrapped, it is still listed for sale but this is further evidence proving it needs to be pulled from the shelves and undergo a major product recall. One can only imagine what would happen if this 'business' began making and selling passenger vehicle airbags.






Stay tuned gents, who can predict what happens next? My guess is, a post saying "it's very much a WIP"

Source: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2755285#post2755285






#4252565 - 04/24/16 08:22 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted By: Winfield


I offered mine up for free, no one wanted it....




People say stuff like that all the time.
Take my wife..please lol
If you are serious about giving it away, feel free to bind it to
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#4252639 - 04/24/16 11:42 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
So Can you tell me where in the world is Carmen San Diego too?


When he doesn't like your response to his question......you get

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#4252648 - 04/24/16 11:58 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Someone wanna explain to me exactly what's false here in Winfield's analysis? He's got photo proof of posts and videos to back up his claims.

This #%&*$# right here is why people have such a low opinion of those of us who come from the ED forums. For what it's worth, on behalf of the more reasonable people from the ED forums, sorry to hear about the ban Winfield.

#4252661 - 04/25/16 12:35 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Read it closer. It doesn't have to be false. As long as it's damaging, it's grounds for perma-ban. This basically means they take the liberty to ban anyone who dares to post anything but a positive review, regardless of how crappy the module is. It certainly tells, just look at all the bigger reviewers on their forums; Never, ever, ever a bad word to say about anything, not even a #%&*$# trainer that after 3 years is still in a pathetic state.

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#4252663 - 04/25/16 12:39 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Not trying to derail this "informative" thread, I'm just genuinely curious; what is the significance of referring to the quoted poster as "the treeehugger"? In the good ole US of A this was a popular cutdown used by Vietnam vets but doesn't seem to be as widely used by many anymore. Just wondering if it has a particular meaning in this case other then the commen "hippie" referral, or is it just a way to grant a level of anonymity to the poster while expressing your displeasure at the same time? Thanks. wave

#4252677 - 04/25/16 02:09 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Tirak]  
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...spread damaging and false "information". Interesting use of the ban hammer for a guy that has basically been giving a truthful review of their products. They really don't do themselves any favors over there. The reality outside the HTTP is a frightening place for those that live under such censorship.
They're saying give a good review no matter how FALSE that may be or you're going to get banned.

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#4252700 - 04/25/16 05:09 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted By: Johnny_Redd
The reality outside the HTTP is a frightening place for those that live under such censorship.
They're saying give a good review no matter how FALSE that may be or you're going to get banned.


Even if that were true, so what if you get banned? For a band of people who claim to harbour such distaste for EDs boards, you sure spend a lot of time harping on about not being able to post there...

Seems unhealthy.

#4252703 - 04/25/16 05:29 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Not everyone is as enthusiastic to abandon things with potential as you are.

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Originally Posted By: Frederf
Not everyone is as enthusiastic to abandon things with potential as you are.


It's probably not just potential. At this moment, if someone purchased every module at the ED store...that's an $850 investment.


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Originally Posted By: Sobek


Even if that were true, so what if you get banned? For a band of people who claim to harbour such distaste for EDs boards, you sure spend a lot of time harping on about not being able to post there...

Seems unhealthy.


You can almost compare it to someone that has no interest whatsoever about being part of a community (SimHQ)...yet continues to post and share his dis-taste for that community on their website.

Y'know...just as a hypothetical example.


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#4252708 - 04/25/16 05:47 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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I find it more damaging (from PR point of view) to ban someone because he said something "bad" about your product on other forums than let it slide. I understand that partly they may fear that person would post bad things there too but other than that is just a "reaction". Doesn't actually do anything than show that they are upset. Now if the damaging information is also false (because there is only an AND not an AND/OR) might be understandable but if the damaging information is true or honest opinion after good research/testing...

If I would be ED I would ban VEAO (that would be a warning to other teams also)... but I'm not... so...

#4252711 - 04/25/16 07:06 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Force10]  
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Originally Posted By: Frederf
Not everyone is as enthusiastic to abandon things with potential as you are.


That's quite the change of mind there, Frederf.

Originally Posted By: Force10

You can almost compare it to someone that has no interest whatsoever about being part of a community (SimHQ)...yet continues to post and share his dis-taste for that community on their website.

Y'know...just as a hypothetical example.


Having no interest in being part of a community? Because i don't participate in flinging verbal diarrhea EDs way? Where on SimHQs statutes does it say that that's what it takes to be part of the community?

Is that the retribution for the 2 posts i reported that contained insults against actual persons (not companies)? I'm sorry i'm creating such an enormous workload for you. Not like you did anything about it, though. But yeah, keep telling yourself that i'm just here to stir your flock.

At least i'll always have the time that CyBerkut moderated here <3 It cannot be overstated what a surpreme job he did.

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