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#4231372 - 02/20/16 04:39 AM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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I ran DCSW OB 1.53 and did not have any activation issues. I think this was solved for me the last time there was registry-activation work done during the activation changeover. Since I did it back then I don't have to do it now. I would guess anyone who followed those steps in that patch notes in the past or simply installing it fresh probably do not have any issue.

Is the list of fixes http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=160112 current for 1.53 on the OB branch? I tested the R-55, R-3S, R-3R missiles but did not notice any differences between them in tone sound.

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#4231435 - 02/20/16 01:05 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: Frederf]  
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Originally Posted By: Frederf
I ran DCSW OB 1.53 and did not have any activation issues. I think this was solved for me the last time there was registry-activation work done during the activation changeover. Since I did it back then I don't have to do it now. I would guess anyone who followed those steps in that patch notes in the past or simply installing it fresh probably do not have any issue.

Is the list of fixes http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=160112 current for 1.53 on the OB branch? I tested the R-55, R-3S, R-3R missiles but did not notice any differences between them in tone sound.


You may encounter an activation prompt when you run 1.5.3 Stable or 2.0 because you ran 1.5.3 Open Beta which had the bug. If so -- just rerun the registry fix and your 1 activation will be comped.

List of fixes is for both 1.5.3 OB and Stable.


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#4249779 - 04/14/16 11:21 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Does

1. Having a joystick un-plugged
2. Having my pedals un-plugged
3. Having a USB stick inserted into my PC
4. Having my phone charging on my PC's USB port

Does any of the above trigger a use of an activation ?

I have used 2 this week alone and the only thing that was different about my PC was the above



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#4249857 - 04/15/16 05:46 AM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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It shouldn't. I think it's based on a combined PC id key based on hardware but joysticks shouldn't count much if at all toward that. If you are "change of PC" it should say that specifically in the error message.

More likely it is some leftover from the registry location changeover or the different builds (alpha, beta, final) fighting over which build is doing which kind of activation.

#4249936 - 04/15/16 02:43 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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It shouldn't but it does ,can I get and answer please Cobra ?

Down to 3 activations left and no clue as to why yet another one got used up

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#4250036 - 04/15/16 08:37 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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I think now is safe to put your phone to charge in the PC as the Mig21 is back in the hangar 18 disassembled and the engineers are trying to figure out how to properly connect the radar wires. With the next patch... it will work again... they say...

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#4250088 - 04/16/16 12:46 AM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Me too - every time I update DCS I get activation messages for the Mig-21 and every time I run the activation tool it makes no difference the next time.

#4250097 - 04/16/16 01:41 AM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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DCS 2.0.2.52262 Changelog
DCS 2.0.2.52262 will be published today.

NOTE
DCS MiG-21bis are not functional until next update.
Sorry for inconvenience.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2746356#post2746356

note also that if you are not able to download the updates from the changelog, it is because

From the update released today
The 2.0.2 version has a high CPU usage problem. We are working on a fix. Please do not update to this version a while.
Sorry for the inconvenience.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2745494&postcount=11

And who is to blame for the high CPU usage and further delay in the latest update??

Quote:
"Sadly at the very moment the Hawk crashes DCS for some players. But the fix list is indeed impressive. Hope the fix for crash is out soon, cant wait for a test drive."


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746039&postcount=2

Quote:
I installed the new update today got a problem with the Hawk: When I select the Hawk and press Ok to fly DCS crashed any idea?


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746220&postcount=147

And the "official response" from none other than "up the tree at VEAO"

Quote:
Hey Timka,
Issues with core DCS at the moment.
ED have asked people not to update yet.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746602&postcount=148

So not only have the customers given up on VEAO, but it seems the ED testers have as well. This would have picked up if the Hawk was still installed on their systems when testing the latest patch, however my guess is everyone uninstalled it after the constant nando's jokes and no real work to be seen. The testers probably followed suit after the "texture artists computer blew up"

#4250165 - 04/16/16 12:26 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Jesus H tity f*****g christ

So much for the crack team of ED testers, do they actually spend time testing stuff or just going about forums harrassing people who complain about the shocking state of DCS world / modules ?

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#4250171 - 04/16/16 01:05 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Originally Posted By: leaf_on_the_wind
It shouldn't but it does ,can I get and answer pease Cobra ?

Down to 3 activations left and no clue as to why yet another one got used up


E-mail me directly at nicholas.dackard@gmail.com and I'll replace your key.

Thanks!
Nick

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#4250172 - 04/16/16 01:09 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Originally Posted By: Winfield
DCS 2.0.2.52262 Changelog
DCS 2.0.2.52262 will be published today.

NOTE
DCS MiG-21bis are not functional until next update.
Sorry for inconvenience.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2746356#post2746356

note also that if you are not able to download the updates from the changelog, it is because

From the update released today
The 2.0.2 version has a high CPU usage problem. We are working on a fix. Please do not update to this version a while.
Sorry for the inconvenience.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2745494&postcount=11

And who is to blame for the high CPU usage and further delay in the latest update??

Quote:
"Sadly at the very moment the Hawk crashes DCS for some players. But the fix list is indeed impressive. Hope the fix for crash is out soon, cant wait for a test drive."


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746039&postcount=2

Quote:
I installed the new update today got a problem with the Hawk: When I select the Hawk and press Ok to fly DCS crashed any idea?


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746220&postcount=147

And the "official response" from none other than "up the tree at VEAO"

Quote:
Hey Timka,
Issues with core DCS at the moment.
ED have asked people not to update yet.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746602&postcount=148

So not only have the customers given up on VEAO, but it seems the ED testers have as well. This would have picked up if the Hawk was still installed on their systems when testing the latest patch, however my guess is everyone uninstalled it after the constant nando's jokes and no real work to be seen. The testers probably followed suit after the "texture artists computer blew up"


Originally Posted By: leaf_on_the_wind
Jesus H tity f*****g christ

So much for the crack team of ED testers, do they actually spend time testing stuff or just gong about forums harrassing people who complain about the shocking state of DCS world / modules ?


You guys have gone off the deep end.


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#4250177 - 04/16/16 01:56 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Originally Posted By: leaf_on_the_wind
Jesus H tity f*****g christ

So much for the crack team of ED testers, do they actually spend time testing stuff or just gong about forums harrassing people who complain about the shocking state of DCS world / modules ?


The Hawk issues apparently are caused because VEAO does not test the Hawk with the CP installed on it. When they are happy they send it to ED and they add the CP.

Whoever came up with that brilliant idea should be freaking fired. Allowing another entity to test your module after changing it (adding CP, especially one as onerous as Starfucked) and putting it out is just asking for massive trouble.

#4250178 - 04/16/16 01:56 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: Cobra847]  
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Originally Posted By: Winfield
DCS 2.0.2.52262 Changelog
DCS 2.0.2.52262 will be published today.

NOTE
DCS MiG-21bis are not functional until next update.
Sorry for inconvenience.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2746356#post2746356

note also that if you are not able to download the updates from the changelog, it is because

From the update released today
The 2.0.2 version has a high CPU usage problem. We are working on a fix. Please do not update to this version a while.
Sorry for the inconvenience.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2745494&postcount=11

And who is to blame for the high CPU usage and further delay in the latest update??

Quote:
"Sadly at the very moment the Hawk crashes DCS for some players. But the fix list is indeed impressive. Hope the fix for crash is out soon, cant wait for a test drive."


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746039&postcount=2

Quote:
I installed the new update today got a problem with the Hawk: When I select the Hawk and press Ok to fly DCS crashed any idea?


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746220&postcount=147

And the "official response" from none other than "up the tree at VEAO"

Quote:
Hey Timka,
Issues with core DCS at the moment.
ED have asked people not to update yet.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746602&postcount=148

So not only have the customers given up on VEAO, but it seems the ED testers have as well. This would have picked up if the Hawk was still installed on their systems when testing the latest patch, however my guess is everyone uninstalled it after the constant nando's jokes and no real work to be seen. The testers probably followed suit after the "texture artists computer blew up"


Originally Posted By: leaf_on_the_wind
Jesus H tity f*****g christ

So much for the crack team of ED testers, do they actually spend time testing stuff or just gong about forums harrassing people who complain about the shocking state of DCS world / modules ?


You guys have gone off the deep end.


Seriously, don't you have another delayed announcement / update to put out.

#4250179 - 04/16/16 02:10 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: Mustang60348]  
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Originally Posted By: Mustang60348
Originally Posted By: Cobra847
Originally Posted By: Winfield
DCS 2.0.2.52262 Changelog
DCS 2.0.2.52262 will be published today.

NOTE
DCS MiG-21bis are not functional until next update.
Sorry for inconvenience.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2746356#post2746356

note also that if you are not able to download the updates from the changelog, it is because

From the update released today
The 2.0.2 version has a high CPU usage problem. We are working on a fix. Please do not update to this version a while.
Sorry for the inconvenience.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2745494&postcount=11

And who is to blame for the high CPU usage and further delay in the latest update??

Quote:
"Sadly at the very moment the Hawk crashes DCS for some players. But the fix list is indeed impressive. Hope the fix for crash is out soon, cant wait for a test drive."


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746039&postcount=2

Quote:
I installed the new update today got a problem with the Hawk: When I select the Hawk and press Ok to fly DCS crashed any idea?


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746220&postcount=147

And the "official response" from none other than "up the tree at VEAO"

Quote:
Hey Timka,
Issues with core DCS at the moment.
ED have asked people not to update yet.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746602&postcount=148

So not only have the customers given up on VEAO, but it seems the ED testers have as well. This would have picked up if the Hawk was still installed on their systems when testing the latest patch, however my guess is everyone uninstalled it after the constant nando's jokes and no real work to be seen. The testers probably followed suit after the "texture artists computer blew up"


Originally Posted By: leaf_on_the_wind
Jesus H tity f*****g christ

So much for the crack team of ED testers, do they actually spend time testing stuff or just gong about forums harrassing people who complain about the shocking state of DCS world / modules ?


You guys have gone off the deep end.


Seriously, don't you have another delayed announcement / update to put out.


Sick burn, bro

Last edited by Cobra847; 04/16/16 02:20 PM.

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#4250205 - 04/16/16 04:13 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: Cobra847]  
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Originally Posted By: Cobra847
Originally Posted By: Mustang60348
Originally Posted By: Cobra847
Originally Posted By: Winfield
DCS 2.0.2.52262 Changelog
DCS 2.0.2.52262 will be published today.

NOTE
DCS MiG-21bis are not functional until next update.
Sorry for inconvenience.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2746356#post2746356

note also that if you are not able to download the updates from the changelog, it is because

From the update released today
The 2.0.2 version has a high CPU usage problem. We are working on a fix. Please do not update to this version a while.
Sorry for the inconvenience.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2745494&postcount=11

And who is to blame for the high CPU usage and further delay in the latest update??

Quote:
"Sadly at the very moment the Hawk crashes DCS for some players. But the fix list is indeed impressive. Hope the fix for crash is out soon, cant wait for a test drive."


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746039&postcount=2

Quote:
I installed the new update today got a problem with the Hawk: When I select the Hawk and press Ok to fly DCS crashed any idea?


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746220&postcount=147

And the "official response" from none other than "up the tree at VEAO"

Quote:
Hey Timka,
Issues with core DCS at the moment.
ED have asked people not to update yet.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746602&postcount=148

So not only have the customers given up on VEAO, but it seems the ED testers have as well. This would have picked up if the Hawk was still installed on their systems when testing the latest patch, however my guess is everyone uninstalled it after the constant nando's jokes and no real work to be seen. The testers probably followed suit after the "texture artists computer blew up"


Originally Posted By: leaf_on_the_wind
Jesus H tity f*****g christ

So much for the crack team of ED testers, do they actually spend time testing stuff or just gong about forums harrassing people who complain about the shocking state of DCS world / modules ?


You guys have gone off the deep end.


Seriously, don't you have another delayed announcement / update to put out.


Sick burn, bro


Since you are not interested in writing up an official response as to why your customers will not be able to fly the Mig-21 in 2.0 until the "next update".....consider writing a response to this gent

Hello, Mr. Dackard;


After I read through the whole post concerning the MiG-21's negative angle of attack at low altitude and supersonic speeds (http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.ph...t=angle+attack) I was left with an uneasy suspicion that the answer, i.e. that a slight negative AoA was normal under such conditions, was really not correct.


I have several old MiG-21 references that show more detail about the construction of the MiG-21 bis, and they further suggest that perhaps your flight model may be affected, among other issues, by a discrepancy in the construction of the alignment of your MiG's nose-cone and inlet ring assembly.


I do not have your 3D model to examine, but my visual examination of this area of the 3D model of the aircraft, from close-ups of it in the game, suggest that the nose-cone center-line (i.e. the line drawn from the tip of the nose-cone perpendicular to the inlet ring) is parallel to the fuselage center-line. It also appears that the inlet ring itself is also constructed to be perpendicular to the fuselage center-line.

If so, and if your flight model takes this alignment into account, for purposes of considering the presence of disturbed airflow affecting available AoA, then the whole dynamic flight model may be adversely affected by this choice.


I say that because, in the real MiG-21 bis, the nose-cone and inlet ring center-lines are not aligned parallel to the fuselage center-line, but rather, they both have a 3 degree negative angle relative to aircraft center-line.

I confirmed this by corresponding with a Finnish Air Force pilot who has access to a MiG-21 bis in the museum at Kymi airbase near Kotka. Please take a look at the illustration that he forwarded to me.

This off-central alignment was done to make the airflow over the nose-cone, at supersonic speed, create the proper shock wave at the inlet ring. If the nose-cone and inlet ring are parallel to the fuselage center-line, then the shock-wave from the airflow over the MiG-21, at high speed AoA, would strike the inlet ring off-center, because the MiG-21 bis typically flies supersonic at a 3 degree positive AoA.


The real MiG 21 bis construction compensates for the 3 degree positive AoA at supersonic speed by aligning the tip of the cone and face of the inlet ring to be perpendicular to the airflow over the fuselage by canting them downwards by 3 degrees.



The normal MiG-21 bis positive cruise AoA is very much at odds with your present flight model which requires the plane be flown at a negative AoA under conditions described in the forum thread; in those circumstances, the shock wave would strike the inlet ring at an angle that would be 5.5 degrees off-center.

That would be the result if your cone and inlet were constructed at right angles to the fuselage center-line, which is what I suspect is the case in your 3D model.



I really doubt that your flight model, or DCS world for that matter, is this precise, but I offer this to you because the 3D model alignment of the MiG-21 nose-cone and inlet of your version of the MiG-21 appears to be wrong.

I really do believe that the negative AoA at low altitude and high speed is also wrong, but until the 3D model construction is confirmed as correct, then this can't be measured.


My last contact with the Finnish Air Force pilot tells me this:

"The whole MiG-21 nose intake including the lip and and the cone is really tilted slightly downwards to adjust the intake perpendicular to the average high speed flight airflow to ensure symmetrical airflow into the intake. This is specially important at supersonic speeds due to the cone produced shock wave formation. The angle to the fuselage reference line is 3 degrees (see the attached pictures). The angle is close to the wing angle of attack at high speeds.

The angle of attack of the MiG-21 is always positive when not flying inverted. The symmetrical airfoil wing does not produce positive lift at negative angle of attacks. At high speeds like 500 kt the lift coefficient at 8800 kg is about 0,15 which corresponds to an angle of attack of some 2-3 degrees.

I have flown the MiG-21BIS at at sea level (100 meters) at an indicated airspeed of 1300 km/h (1.06 Mach), which is the maximum allowed indicated airspeed (Vmo). It can go even faster, but this is the limit. At altitude you are limited to 2.05 Mach (Mmo) due to directional stability. It can go even faster, but this is the limit."


I hate to be the bearer of difficult news, but I think that there are some fundamental problems with the design of your 3D model and with the way the flight model of the MiG-21 itself is represented in DCS World.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2743214&postcount=1

Mustang didn't burn you, the model nose cone and no official response to this issue has done that for you.

#4250360 - 04/17/16 12:11 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted By: Winfield
Originally Posted By: Cobra847
Originally Posted By: Mustang60348
Originally Posted By: Cobra847
Originally Posted By: Winfield
DCS 2.0.2.52262 Changelog
DCS 2.0.2.52262 will be published today.

NOTE
DCS MiG-21bis are not functional until next update.
Sorry for inconvenience.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2746356#post2746356

note also that if you are not able to download the updates from the changelog, it is because

From the update released today
The 2.0.2 version has a high CPU usage problem. We are working on a fix. Please do not update to this version a while.
Sorry for the inconvenience.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2745494&postcount=11

And who is to blame for the high CPU usage and further delay in the latest update??

Quote:
"Sadly at the very moment the Hawk crashes DCS for some players. But the fix list is indeed impressive. Hope the fix for crash is out soon, cant wait for a test drive."


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746039&postcount=2

Quote:
I installed the new update today got a problem with the Hawk: When I select the Hawk and press Ok to fly DCS crashed any idea?


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746220&postcount=147

And the "official response" from none other than "up the tree at VEAO"

Quote:
Hey Timka,
Issues with core DCS at the moment.
ED have asked people not to update yet.


http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2746602&postcount=148

So not only have the customers given up on VEAO, but it seems the ED testers have as well. This would have picked up if the Hawk was still installed on their systems when testing the latest patch, however my guess is everyone uninstalled it after the constant nando's jokes and no real work to be seen. The testers probably followed suit after the "texture artists computer blew up"


Originally Posted By: leaf_on_the_wind
Jesus H tity f*****g christ

So much for the crack team of ED testers, do they actually spend time testing stuff or just gong about forums harrassing people who complain about the shocking state of DCS world / modules ?


You guys have gone off the deep end.


Seriously, don't you have another delayed announcement / update to put out.


Sick burn, bro


Since you are not interested in writing up an official response as to why your customers will not be able to fly the Mig-21 in 2.0 until the "next update".....consider writing a response to this gent

Hello, Mr. Dackard;


After I read through the whole post concerning the MiG-21's negative angle of attack at low altitude and supersonic speeds (http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.ph...t=angle+attack) I was left with an uneasy suspicion that the answer, i.e. that a slight negative AoA was normal under such conditions, was really not correct.


I have several old MiG-21 references that show more detail about the construction of the MiG-21 bis, and they further suggest that perhaps your flight model may be affected, among other issues, by a discrepancy in the construction of the alignment of your MiG's nose-cone and inlet ring assembly.


I do not have your 3D model to examine, but my visual examination of this area of the 3D model of the aircraft, from close-ups of it in the game, suggest that the nose-cone center-line (i.e. the line drawn from the tip of the nose-cone perpendicular to the inlet ring) is parallel to the fuselage center-line. It also appears that the inlet ring itself is also constructed to be perpendicular to the fuselage center-line.

If so, and if your flight model takes this alignment into account, for purposes of considering the presence of disturbed airflow affecting available AoA, then the whole dynamic flight model may be adversely affected by this choice.


I say that because, in the real MiG-21 bis, the nose-cone and inlet ring center-lines are not aligned parallel to the fuselage center-line, but rather, they both have a 3 degree negative angle relative to aircraft center-line.

I confirmed this by corresponding with a Finnish Air Force pilot who has access to a MiG-21 bis in the museum at Kymi airbase near Kotka. Please take a look at the illustration that he forwarded to me.

This off-central alignment was done to make the airflow over the nose-cone, at supersonic speed, create the proper shock wave at the inlet ring. If the nose-cone and inlet ring are parallel to the fuselage center-line, then the shock-wave from the airflow over the MiG-21, at high speed AoA, would strike the inlet ring off-center, because the MiG-21 bis typically flies supersonic at a 3 degree positive AoA.


The real MiG 21 bis construction compensates for the 3 degree positive AoA at supersonic speed by aligning the tip of the cone and face of the inlet ring to be perpendicular to the airflow over the fuselage by canting them downwards by 3 degrees.



The normal MiG-21 bis positive cruise AoA is very much at odds with your present flight model which requires the plane be flown at a negative AoA under conditions described in the forum thread; in those circumstances, the shock wave would strike the inlet ring at an angle that would be 5.5 degrees off-center.

That would be the result if your cone and inlet were constructed at right angles to the fuselage center-line, which is what I suspect is the case in your 3D model.



I really doubt that your flight model, or DCS world for that matter, is this precise, but I offer this to you because the 3D model alignment of the MiG-21 nose-cone and inlet of your version of the MiG-21 appears to be wrong.

I really do believe that the negative AoA at low altitude and high speed is also wrong, but until the 3D model construction is confirmed as correct, then this can't be measured.


My last contact with the Finnish Air Force pilot tells me this:

"The whole MiG-21 nose intake including the lip and and the cone is really tilted slightly downwards to adjust the intake perpendicular to the average high speed flight airflow to ensure symmetrical airflow into the intake. This is specially important at supersonic speeds due to the cone produced shock wave formation. The angle to the fuselage reference line is 3 degrees (see the attached pictures). The angle is close to the wing angle of attack at high speeds.

The angle of attack of the MiG-21 is always positive when not flying inverted. The symmetrical airfoil wing does not produce positive lift at negative angle of attacks. At high speeds like 500 kt the lift coefficient at 8800 kg is about 0,15 which corresponds to an angle of attack of some 2-3 degrees.

I have flown the MiG-21BIS at at sea level (100 meters) at an indicated airspeed of 1300 km/h (1.06 Mach), which is the maximum allowed indicated airspeed (Vmo). It can go even faster, but this is the limit. At altitude you are limited to 2.05 Mach (Mmo) due to directional stability. It can go even faster, but this is the limit."


I hate to be the bearer of difficult news, but I think that there are some fundamental problems with the design of your 3D model and with the way the flight model of the MiG-21 itself is represented in DCS World.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2743214&postcount=1

Mustang didn't burn you, the model nose cone and no official response to this issue has done that for you.



How absolutely depressingly hilarious.

You decided to copy one severely unsubstantiated bug report and a lack of reply is indiciative of what, exactly?
This issue has been closed and the model is correct: https://leatherneck-sim.mantishub.com/view.php?id=287


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#4277277 - 07/08/16 04:03 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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1.5.3 to 1.5.4 stable ......... and another activation used

How come the MIG-21 activation out of ALL the modules is totally ballsed up ?



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#4277279 - 07/08/16 04:23 PM Re: Activations being used up for no apparent reason [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Originally Posted By: leaf_on_the_wind
1.5.3 to 1.5.4 stable ......... and another activation used

How come the MIG-21 activation out of ALL the modules is totally ballsed up ?

Well, what is unique to the 21?
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Its used another one for no apparent reason , WTF is wrong with this??????????



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This is why I did not install the 21 when I built a new sim rig.


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