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#4241096 - 03/18/16 03:55 PM Campaign after Campaign - ED's new focus  
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Originally Posted By: Paradaz"

Dated November 7th 2015

My own thoughts are also that mission packs and/or a half-way house DC would also see more profit for ED as they could push them out on per-airframe basis......as a business an easy profit has to be in their thoughts whether we, as customers like it or not


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Dated January 16, 2016

Whilst I understand that different people/skillsets/resources won't always be employed on the same areas of work I also have reservations about the new campaign published in the newsletter.

I said a while ago in another post that mini campaigns would be a very easy and profitable money-spinner for ED and I hope it's not taking away the focus from all the other unfinished work that won't necessarily generate more funds on release.

If we see more and more of these payware campaigns being pushed out without any real movement on the larger 'DCS World' then I guess I'll have my answer.



I guess I have my answer, so it seems the latest newsletter which I just received is promoting yet another new campaign....and only a new campaign. A new DCS World update that features nothing other than support for a new payware campaign? How's about putting more effort into the unfinished content where customer funds have returned nothing more than the beta status? Campaigns may be good....however not at the expense of the focus that is required for DCS World.

I knew a quick profit would be a head turner.....so this looks to be yet another direction change for ED. I'm sure we'll be seeing campaign after campaign and the associated 'updates' that also promote the bundle sales too. I suppose it negates any requirement for a dynamic campaign!

How's about getting the missions into the Nevada branch for starters or is that at the back of the queue because no funds are generated?

I get closer and closer to giving up on this mess every month. Such a shame because the potential is huge and will probably never be realised.

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#4241107 - 03/18/16 04:33 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: Paradaz]  
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Suggest you read changelogs and such before assuming each patch is only campaign support.

The last 2 patches have added Significant fixes and stuff to the F-86 and MiG-15 at the very least.

Not counting the plethora of fixes and tuning to the M2000C,

You are seeing what you want to see, and ignoring everything else to validate your assumption.

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#4241108 - 03/18/16 04:40 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: Paradaz]  
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Mig-15 came out of beta last week. Also this campaign isn't new, I've owned it for over a year, purchased directly from the creator. Seems to align with what ED have said about selling 3rd party campaigns directly through their store, not much of a surprise.

Even though the weekly updates are great, I am still anxiously waiting "the merger"

#4241114 - 03/18/16 05:11 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
Suggest you read changelogs and such before assuming each patch is only campaign support.

The last 2 patches have added Significant fixes and stuff to the F-86 and MiG-15 at the very least.

Not counting the plethora of fixes and tuning to the M2000C,

You are seeing what you want to see, and ignoring everything else to validate your assumption.



As stated, I'm going off the newsletter that I just received; of which there is absolutely no news of ANYTHING other than release of a 'new' campaign. Considering this is a newsletter, and an ideal opportunity to inform customers of progress - how about they actually include some valid information in them? It's not a case of seeing what I want to see....it's a case of seeing what ED obviously want their customers to see.....in this example it's yet more payware!

How come some newsletters details progress and updates, yet some newsletters include nothing other than what they're selling at any particular moment in time. Sounds like you need to whinge at your employers if you want customers to see the excellent progress, updates, fine-tuning and fixes you claim they are making.



"DCS World 1.5.3 Update 2

Also on 18 March 2016, we will release the second update to version 1.5.3 of DCS World. Please note 1.5.3 Update 2 is the support for the new A-10C: BFT campaign"


Due to ED continually announcing/releasing content whilst many other products are still in beta I'm not entertaining the M2000C or any other beta product from this point on (that's ED's problem that so many people are now taking this stance due to the way they have gone about their business so far), so as good as it looks the 'fixes and tuning' are completely irrelevant for me and especially so if they are tucked away in changelogs. If the changelogs are only kept on the ED forums, then that will be another reason why I and many people won't see them.

Final point in reply to your post. You mention the F86, Mig15 and Mirage, yet these are all 3rd parties......perhaps ED aren't reporting progress because it isn't their progress to publish....what progress are ED making with DCS World for example?...There is absolutely no mention of anything in their latest newsletter and I know for a fact these newsletters have previously included this! You wonder why people like me make these posts? - how about ED create some consistency and sort out their communication.....as far as I'm aware the only progress ED has made in the week or so has been a single payware campaign and the previous newsletter detailed 3rd party module improvements and very little about DCS World too.


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#4241122 - 03/18/16 05:48 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: Paradaz]  
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ok so now you're complaining about the newsletter format?


The link to the changelog is also in the news letter less than 3 lines from the line you quoted.

ED is working on fixing bugs with 1.5 and 2.0 and eventually merging them when Caucuasus is finished being converted to T4.

You expect a major announcement of some thing new every week?


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#4241143 - 03/18/16 06:40 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: Paradaz]  
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This is MapleFlags Campaign, not EDs.


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#4241147 - 03/18/16 06:58 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: Paradaz]  
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In your rush to defend ED you're obviously missing the point completely (as expected). The thread title and the first post give it away.

Are you now insinuating that a 3rd party campaign offers no monetary gain to ED? My concern is quite simple, and quite obviously geared around quick wins, quick profits that take some focus away from the progress in areas that really need it.

We're still effectively discussing (or arguing in your case) about DCS content that still remains in beta whilst new content is continually produced. I've no doubt that an update in a few months time will probably make this latest campaign unworkable and then we can await another few months whilst that is fixed because ED continue to stumble from one bit of work to the next without actually planning something with any real logic or roadmap behind it.

Let's ignore 3rd party module progress for now, that's 3rd party business....what's the latest on DCS World, what about the 1.5/2.0 merge, where are the Nevada missions, where is the ED progress? Is there nothing to put in the newsletter?....is the 'new' campaign just filler because there is no real news?

If you actually look at the change-log from the latest newsletter, this is the only valid news for DCS:

Game will be able re-save older mission files correctly
MP. Double ejecting of net-phantom pilot is eliminated


There is next to nothing in the previous week, the week before that was a spring sale....get my point? Probably not. Maybe the team are busy with new campaigns!



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#4241156 - 03/18/16 07:14 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: Paradaz]  
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Maybe the team is busy working on:
Gwneral bugs in 1.5/2.0,
Converting Caucasus to T4,
Finalizing F-86F,
BST F-5E,
NTTR Debuging,
SoH Map,
DX11 Effects revamps,
F-18C Flight Model and Avionics,
Spitfire Development,
MiG-29 PFM and External Model Revamp,
Su-33 PFM,
NTTR Missions,
ATC Revamp,
Among the other things in 1.5/2.0

Im sorry if each and every Dev in EDs office sldoesnt Give a personalized blurb every week of their progress.

The News letters have been anmouncimg the New Comtent, regardless of 1st / 3rd Party, or Content type, you cant fault them for wanting to advertise for themselves or 3rd Parties.

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#4241161 - 03/18/16 07:35 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: Paradaz]  
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That's probably the reason why progress is so slow then.

Too many concurrent projects, too little resources, too many changes without proper planning and attempting to introduce too many new platforms in a rush to generate funds.

It's almost ridiculous to think that in 2008 we had an unfinished Black Shark in an unfinished Caucasus.

8 years later in 2016 we have even more unfinished platforms in an unfinished Caucasus and absolutely no idea when its going to be ready - yet ED's newsletters are featuring new campaigns!!!!!!

Yet you still can't see the problem or the concern lol. I think you've been involved with ED for far too long!

You're involved with AMD testing?......even though they've had their problems, if they handled their planning and development like ED they'd have been laughed off planet Earth long before now.


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#4241164 - 03/18/16 07:43 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: Paradaz]  
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you are the most critical of critics.

2008 vs now is completely different.

Caucasus and KA50 were feature complete long ago,

Caucasus 2.0 is an entirely different scenario.

The engine has moved from DX9 to DX11,
Changes and conversions of IP were expected.

Its amusing how you pick and draw straws though. Good Job.


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#4241165 - 03/18/16 07:46 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: Paradaz]  
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And you can leave my status with ED, AMD, Microsoft and any others I do work for out of your counter analysis,

It has nothing to do with my opinions or views and frankly Im just as tired of repeating that as you are tired of whining about ED.

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#4241173 - 03/18/16 08:10 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: Paradaz]  
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To answer all your points above in a single reply....

If ED expected changes and conversions in IP as you allude to then it demonstrates well beyond reasonable doubt just how utterly incompetent they are in their planning.

I'll absolutely continue to make a comparison of ED with any company I choose to because its just another example of how you and many others (for whatever reason) choose to blindly ignore, refute or acknowledge how incompetent they have become whilst seemingly haven't learned from a single mistake they have made.

It's bizarre that no other company would ever be given the same amount of slack....whilst passionate about flight sims it's something I've never comprehended.


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1. You need to re read what you are saying,Theres gonna be changes when you evolve an Engine From One Generation to the Next.

Theres no such thing as a completely future proof IP.


2. My Affiliations are not part of your continued analysis and again, have nothing to do with you, ao you'd be wise to drop that subject, as I am tired of seeing my status posted more than the Walking dead Carl Memes.

Im not ignoring jack diddly, Im just not fixiated on posting only the negative aspects.

FIND. A.. DIFFERENT... ANGLE.

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#4241182 - 03/18/16 08:54 PM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: Paradaz]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
Suggest you read changelogs and such before assuming each patch is only campaign support.

The last 2 patches have added Significant fixes and stuff to the F-86 and MiG-15 at the very least.

Not counting the plethora of fixes and tuning to the M2000C,

You are seeing what you want to see, and ignoring everything else to validate your assumption.


Whilst on the subject of patches, newsletters and progress.....

DCS Hawk T1 by VEAO
Autostart and Autostop commands now working

*From the last newsletter

(Yet the day the patch was released "You don't get higher up the chain at VEAO" posted the rotating beacon was not turning off during the autostart sequence and will fixed in the next patch....One can only imagine that even the ED testers themselves have given up on actually testing the hawk otherwise it would have been picked up before the patch was released, not the day it was released.

Yep....That's progress, and nothing from them in this latest change log, not even a rotating beacon fix which consumers were told would be fixed this patch by none other than "You don't get higher up the chain at VEAO"

As far as campaigns go, just more media hype to sell a product. Does the reviewer get paid by ED for his write ups on Mudspike? Maple flag campaigns.....i'd rather pay for a campaign by Snoopy and the 476th Virtual Fighter Group. Notice it's mostly only the junior members over at ED who have the maple flag emblems in their sigs......anyone one with some sense would rather pay for something that is entertaining, not just for a dodgy sig emblem. So what are people really paying for? the campaign or crappy sig emblem?

I will however support campaigns that put together by the Russians, KA-50 campaigns that came with the bird were probably the best so far, plus the original A-10C campaign, the purchased one didn't really do much for me other than the female voice over.

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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
1. You need to re read what you are saying,Theres gonna be changes when you evolve an Engine From One Generation to the Next.

Theres no such thing as a completely future proof IP.


2. My Affiliations are not part of your continued analysis and again, have nothing to do with you, ao you'd be wise to drop that subject, as I am tired of seeing my status posted more than the Walking dead Carl Memes.

Im not ignoring jack diddly, Im just not fixiated on posting only the negative aspects.

FIND. A.. DIFFERENT... ANGLE.


1. Of course there will be changes, but you'd think that at the very least ED would have some sort of idea with regards their estimations, have a process to work to and wouldn't have YEARS of delays.

2. I don't care for your affiliations one iota. Apart from me mentioning one which is right next to your username, you still felt the need to mention two others in your reply. There's no need for you to play the victim card yet again, my comparison is there purely to show how you and other people choose to ignore ED's shortcomings when other companies would get absolutely slated for it.

I recall some of your posts for example lamenting EA/DICE for the mess that was BF4.. .a game that was fixed within a few months. Yet DCS is delayed, bugged, has unfinished modules, P2P clients that are unusable and aircraft that can't even be launched for periods of time elapsing over many years however somehow that's perfectly fine and people jump to the defence at every opportunity. No logic whatsoever.


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Originally Posted By: Paradaz

As stated, I'm going off the newsletter that I just received; of which there is absolutely no news of ANYTHING other than release of a 'new' campaign.



"DCS World 1.5.3 Update 2

Also on 18 March 2016, we will release the second update to version 1.5.3 of DCS World. Please note 1.5.3 Update 2 is the support for the new A-10C: BFT campaign."

Plus, it mentions the bundle deals. Also, newsletter. A letter with news. The release of the campaign is news, you like it or not. It's not called whatever-news-Paradaz-deems-worthy-letter.


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For the Record, BF4 was NOT fixed in months.


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#4241270 - 03/19/16 05:59 AM Re: Campaign after Campaign? - is this the new focus [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
For the Record, BF4 was NOT fixed in months.


For the record and given your association with ED as a tester, I won't use your definition of when something is 'fixed' or not within a specific timeframe. smile


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I think I'll wait for the 476TH Fighter Group to post whether the maple flag missions are worth purchasing or not. This "new" campaign is years old for the A-10C.

Did Sabre actually liase with anyone who is in the know before his work was produced or did he just piss in the wind and hope for the best? If it's the latter.....his fooled many, even ED

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