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#4235266 - 03/01/16 01:01 PM Starbucks.... what are you thinking...  
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Italy, the land of espresso and now Starbucks is going to give it a go? I see FAIL.

http://www.wired.com/2016/02/italians-compare-arrival-starbucks-apocalypse/


Years ago, before the push button automatic espresso machines, a good coffee slinger could still make a decent cup of joe despite the crappy tasting burnt coffee Starbucks bumps out. I can not see Italy, at least in the cities really going for this. Even here in Washington, the land of Starbucks you generally can find WAY better coffee beverages from pretty much any body who actually tries to do so. So many really good small roasters in Seattle like Vita or Victrola among like freaking 15 others in Seattle area. Even here the little piss ant town I live in now we have 2 Starbucks a like 6 or 7 others and one rather good roaster Mocha Joe.

So I have to ask? How on earth will Starbucks rock Italy? And will they introduce the US menu where they reinvented the macchiato? That is suppose to be a shot of espresso with some caramel. Not a fatty latte with milk and crap caramel! Its like the difference between what a pizza is in Italy and the totally different thing it is in the US.

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#4235269 - 03/01/16 01:07 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: FlashBurn]  
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#4235272 - 03/01/16 01:17 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: FlashBurn]  
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The fundamental problem is that Starbucks is a publicly traded company so therefore it is obligated to expand into new markets. Gotta keep Wall Street analysts happy.


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#4235307 - 03/01/16 02:40 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: FlashBurn]  
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They'll rock it like McDonald's rocks anywhere, it's an easy quick place for lazy people in a hurry to grab something for their craw before work wink


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#4235308 - 03/01/16 02:41 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: Peally]  
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Originally Posted By: Peally
They'll rock it like McDonald's rocks anywhere, it's an easy quick place for lazy people in a hurry to grab something for their craw before work wink
And pay 4 bucks for it. With Dunkin Donuts and McDonald's coffee being quite good and for half the price I'm surprised Starbucks is still around.


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#4235310 - 03/01/16 02:44 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: FlashBurn]  
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#4235315 - 03/01/16 02:54 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: FlashBurn]  
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Please excuse the generality but why does it seem like Italians make things like these so dramatic; the apocalypse?! I was just having a conversation with the mother in law (a first gen Italian American) about how using a spoon assist with spegetti is "sacrilege". Just my own opservation.

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#4235345 - 03/01/16 03:31 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: FlashBurn]  
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It's the hot blooded Mediterranean personality at work. The Greeks suffer from it too. smile


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#4235360 - 03/01/16 03:55 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: FlashBurn]  
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Ya, I would say Italian...

But also certain things like the spoon and pasta can also relate to a class or social difference. One of my Grandfathers was born in Sicily and emigrated early on as a child. I can say he married an Irish Girl and she was the one with the hot and crazy temperament. I am really trying to remember if anyone on that side of the family did the spoon thing. I do not think so. The more Scottish side of the family tried to make use a spoon with pasta however.. I do remember that.... But who knows. As another wacky Euro American mutt the only part of the Italian side I inherited was the crazy hand gesturing. Ya. I talk with my hands if I am passionate about something. Thanks Mum...


Thank you internet....

On the spoon with pasta thing. In mainland Italy.. NO spoon. Only for children. In Sicily often used with spaghetti and the like. Which apparently my grandfather and great grandfather did not use. Perhaps transplants or something. Definitely wandering feet with the great grandparents on ALL sides of the family.

edit edit..

Another possibility on the spoon with pasta thing. And fork and spoon it seems is used by Italian children sometimes. Perhaps it became a thing over here as so many children came with their parents over this way in the early 20th century. That is what they did as kids and no one to tell them they are being barbarians later. biggrin

Man I go off in the weirdest thought trains...

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#4235370 - 03/01/16 04:08 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: FlashBurn]  
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How does one eat spaghetti with a friggen spoon? Whenever I have chili-only-not-real-chili with noodles I need to use the spoon as a knife before I can eat.


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#4235373 - 03/01/16 04:14 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: Peally]  
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Fork AND spoon. You twirl around the spoon for some reason.

#4235374 - 03/01/16 04:16 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: FlashBurn]  
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Me reading this thread-> rofl.

Where to begin... Oh, I know. I'll make myself a cup of coffee.
Proper.
Fllcking.
Coffee.

And fllck too all who cuts spaghetti to eat them under 5 years of age.

Using a spoon is actually cool.
But you show true skill by using the concave part of the dish to do the same.

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#4235378 - 03/01/16 04:25 PM Re: Starbucks.... what are you thinking... [Re: FlashBurn]  
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American style pizza is generally far better than Italian though, whereas you can't say the same about the coffee culture.

However, yours truly lives in an Italian neighborhood full of authentic coffee houses and yet the Starbucks' are always packed, because inexplicable reasons.

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Originally Posted By: FlashBurn
I can say he married an Irish Girl and she was the one with the hot and crazy temperament.


People of Celtic origin also have a reputation for being hot blooded/hot headed. smile


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Originally Posted By: Crane Hunter
American style pizza is generally far better than Italian though, whereas you can't say the same about the coffee culture.

However, yours truly lives in an Italian neighborhood full of authentic coffee houses and yet the Starbucks' are always packed, because inexplicable reasons.



I completely disagree on the pizza...

Sorry more random from me... So there I was in desert.... One of my buddies was stationed in Italy for awhile and with nothing better to do we where talking about food. He would not shut up about pizza from Naples. How it was SO much not like pizza back home and SO much better. I have managed to have some legit Italian style stuff over here. And ya, I think its way better. No cheese, no crazy sauces drowning everything. Just goodness on something more like flat bread. Not to say I have not had some really kick arse US style pizza. Ya I have. But they are SO different from one another that one needs a name change as they are not the same thing.


I do not get the Starbucks thing either when you might have an excellent roaster/maker 1/2 a block away that blows charbucks out of the water by a long shot and yet there it is, filled up with people. Oh and charges less too... dizzy

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Originally Posted By: FlashBurn
Ya, I would say Italian...

But also certain things like the spoon and pasta can also relate to a class or social difference. One of my Grandfathers was born in Sicily and emigrated early on as a child. I can say he married an Irish Girl and she was the one with the hot and crazy temperament. I am really trying to remember if anyone on that side of the family did the spoon thing. I do not think so. The more Scottish side of the family tried to make use a spoon with pasta however.. I do remember that.... But who knows. As another wacky Euro American mutt the only part of the Italian side I inherited was the crazy hand gesturing. Ya. I talk with my hands if I am passionate about something. Thanks Mum...


Thank you internet....

On the spoon with pasta thing. In mainland Italy.. NO spoon. Only for children. In Sicily often used with spaghetti and the like. Which apparently my grandfather and great grandfather did not use. Perhaps transplants or something. Definitely wandering feet with the great grandparents on ALL sides of the family.

edit edit..

Another possibility on the spoon with pasta thing. And fork and spoon it seems is used by Italian children sometimes. Perhaps it became a thing over here as so many children came with their parents over this way in the early 20th century. That is what they did as kids and no one to tell them they are being barbarians later. biggrin

Man I go off in the weirdest thought trains...


My Dad is Italian and my Mom was Irish. My dad used to say that sliced bread was a no no in his house growing up. Bread was to be pulled apart. Yes, us Euro mutt's can be a little different. Both sides of the family were hot headed. But I noticed the Italian side was friendlier and could forgive and forget. The Irish side was stubborn and held grudges for ever. Ah, the memories. LOL !

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It must be mostly millennials who love to take advantage of the free WiFi who are going to Starbucks. smile

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Originally Posted By: FlashBurn
Fork AND spoon. You twirl around the spoon for some reason.


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Originally Posted By: FlashBurn
Originally Posted By: Crane Hunter
American style pizza is generally far better than Italian though, whereas you can't say the same about the coffee culture.

However, yours truly lives in an Italian neighborhood full of authentic coffee houses and yet the Starbucks' are always packed, because inexplicable reasons.



I completely disagree on the pizza...

Sorry more random from me... So there I was in desert.... One of my buddies was stationed in Italy for awhile and with nothing better to do we where talking about food. He would not shut up about pizza from Naples. How it was SO much not like pizza back home and SO much better. I have managed to have some legit Italian style stuff over here. And ya, I think its way better. No cheese, no crazy sauces drowning everything. Just goodness on something more like flat bread. Not to say I have not had some really kick arse US style pizza. Ya I have. But they are SO different from one another that one needs a name change as they are not the same thing.


I do not get the Starbucks thing either when you might have an excellent roaster/maker 1/2 a block away that blows charbucks out of the water by a long shot and yet there it is, filled up with people. Oh and charges less too... dizzy


You, you are a cool guy! biggrin


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