#4233244 - 02/25/16 02:49 AM
Re: Is BOS the new war thunder?
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The numbers are out there at collective times..and that's all that's important for having some fun...Besides....here's a look at a fairly new squadron..which started up in November....How about those numbers for a new squad and more are joining all the time.... II/JG53 Like our group...all we currently fly now is BOS....and we've found it very enjoyable and improving all the time. The fact that WT numbers are not here for us...is well not even something we dwell on as long as we can find a server out there, and more and more are opening up...we will make it work for us. I've never played WT..but I'm sure it's a lot of fun.....
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#4233295 - 02/25/16 09:12 AM
Re: Is BOS the new war thunder?
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No one seems to have learned from the past... If the game had the same ease of functionality and ease of getting online as the previous IL2, with the same online and SP content, it may have had a much bigger impact.
The fact is, they haven't followed the original format, plus they should never have used the IL2 brand name. That was a huge mistake, as many avid followers expected a similar IL2 experience with much improved graphical, plus fm and dm content.
Having said that, the dev's over there 'are' making many improvements to the game on a regular basis, so hats off to them for that. I'm still a follower, but I only play on occasion, rather than daily, as I used to with the old IL2. That fact is something maybe the dev's should remember, as the expected migration in large numders of WT players hasn't come to pass, because the new format just hasn't had the desired impact.
I'm sure that as time goes by it will improve further, if it lives that long and continues to generate enough income for the team.
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#4233349 - 02/25/16 01:11 PM
Re: Is BOS the new war thunder?
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If the game only works for you if you play online, then what about the SP content, and people who are not interested in playing online???
Yes, PWCG does make an impact in that regard, but many don't want to have to 'fiddle' and alter their game or don't feel they have the know how on how to indulge... The basics are still not all there, and it seems the powers that be are content to plough on with the current format, and just let the community sort it out for themselves, sadly.
I have PWCG going, I have had some experience with it from RoF, but I feel for those other guys that have walked on by, or are still sitting on the fence because the game has fallen short in their eyes... many of them experienced simmers from the old IL2 days... and that is yet another pool of possible income that is allowed to slip by.
I wonder if the strategy and format they have chosen is now too far embedded and entrenched that the developers can't afford to take that ''step back'' as it would involve an immense amount of work they can not afford to embark on?
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#4233414 - 02/25/16 03:07 PM
Re: Is BOS the new war thunder?
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And War Thunder, World or War Planes, Air Combat (console) - to stay with most know - "fun game" don't appeal to these? WT is free, easy, mouse fly, lots of Hollywood explosions, etc. Why they need a "DCS fun game" to fly a couple of times a month? BoS can't be all "hardcore", but can be "fun game" like these, why are not making success? Are at the best, surviving. As I've never played any of those three, because they don't appeal to me, I can't say. What I can say is when I look back at the sims I loved 10-20-30 years ago (holy crap, I was flying sims 30 years ago!), there were a lot of concessions made to realism in the way planes flew, systems and cockpits were modeled, etc, but they were still fun games even with those shortcomings. We would say "I wish it looked photo real!" and "I wish they modeled AAR/system X/weapon Y better", but we kept on playing despite that. The original F4 release was arguably not all that high fidelity compared to what the later RP/SP/RV/BMS releases provided, but people loved it anyway because of the world that was there. In other words, it proved relatively easy to hack more realistic systems into a good game that didn't have them. It's proven nearly impossible to hack a good game into a realistic sim that isn't one. The Jedi Master
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#4233728 - 02/26/16 10:51 AM
Re: Is BOS the new war thunder?
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Great point, Jedi.
The game, not the graphics, is what keeps me playing a game. I look for a great game, and take the best graphics I can get. I don't look for great graphics, and take the best game I can get. I played War Thunder for 2 or 3 days, said "meh" and never played it again.
IL-2 1946 is still my staple for WW2 single player, and for something new to do I bought "B17 Mighty 8th" after the BoS let down. It still holds my interest while I still can't get myself to start up BoS again (even with the release of PWCG). Mighty 8th is a great game.
Some would say "I'm not buying Mighty 8th, it has dated graphics." I would say "I'm not buying Eye Candy III, it has no game."
PWCG would really do it for me if I didn't have permanent road rash from BoS. But I can see others wanting something integral to BoS.
Dogfighting is what you do "after" you drop your bombs and blow something up! Can you say "JABO!"
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#4233729 - 02/26/16 10:58 AM
Re: Is BOS the new war thunder?
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Great point, Jedi. ... IL-2 1946 is still my staple for WW2 single player ...
Same here...
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#4233847 - 02/26/16 04:01 PM
Re: Is BOS the new war thunder?
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Great graphics open the door to player interest, but they can't maintain it when every new game more or less has great graphics. Really bad graphics can be an impediment, but a look at the indie scene shows people are playing games with dated even primitive graphics all the time when they're good games.
I tend not to fly old sims anymore for two reasons: first, fatigue. Yeah, Falcon 4 was a great sim, but I've put so much time into it that I get a "been there, done that" feeling as soon as I boot it up. Same with all of those old ones, after so many hundreds of hours it feels too tired to me. Second, utility. Some of these older sims are such a bear to get working on modern OS/hardware and I have such little free time that I'd rather spend it flying a more recent sim that will work with no fuss.
I still have Il-2-46 on my HD, but I've not touched it in over a year. I fly BoS, ROF, and DCS semiregularly, but even CloD w/ATAG mods is mostly sitting untouched. Ditto SF2/First Eagles 2 and EECH, all of which I have installed. I had CFS3 installed for many years without playing it before an HD failure would've required me to reinstall it and I never bothered. It just irks me that current developers seem to devote all their energies to the game engine and none to the game mechanics. Replace all the WWI/WWII/modern era aircraft with fictional stuff. Change the theaters to made up places. Instead of flying a Camel over Verdun in 1918, or a 190 over Stalingrad in 1942, what if I'm flying the Batwing over Mordor in 2525? Is it still fun?
If the answer is "no", it's not a good game. It may be a good sim of WWII combat in the Pacific, but if it's a total bore with the historical stuff stripped out that means the developer is relying on the customer's enjoyment of history to provide the fun. That is an automatic market-limiting decision.
The Jedi Master
The anteater is wearing the bagel because he's a reindeer princess. -- my 4 yr old daughter
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