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#4224262 - 02/01/16 09:51 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Kind of a neat day with the airplane.

The wife hadn't ever seen the airplane all put together and working, so we drove up to the airport so she could see.

She was sort of "well, it does look nice" in a wife sort of way when the hangar doors opened.

Then I pulled it out into the sunshine, cranked it up, and taxied it around a little.

"Oh," she said, "now I'm impressed. It looks great in the sun!"

(Me smiling from ear to ear)

"And it looks and sounds very solid and safe running."


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#4224291 - 02/01/16 11:50 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Now you have it made, wife gave her approval.


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#4224323 - 02/02/16 03:58 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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#4227311 - 02/10/16 02:31 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Like everything, it's not done until the paperwork is done.

First, the FAA processed my registration outside of the published 30-180 day* window, getting it back to me in less than five business days. So in the eyes of the gub'ment, she's an airplane!

Second, I had to take the build thread over at the EAA site and turn it into a builder's log. 250 pages of pedantic mumblings and poor photography!

Third comes the Pilot Operating Handbook, which I'm developing based on a couple examples some very nice people sent me.

And last comes the actual inspection. I found a Designated Airworthiness Representative (DAR) over in Atlanta that is familiar with tube-and-gusset aircraft in general and Airdrome Aeroplanes specifically. This is naturally good and bad. But at least I won't have to explain why the only thing welded on the aircraft is the engine mount and the brake drums to the wheels.

This actually makes me kind of sad. The DAR we had here in Birmingham knew all about my airplane and had seen various parts after I built them. Unfortunately he had a big stroke last year and while recovering, it's slow and he's not able to work.

* Gee, guys, 30-180 days as a published window? That's a helluvalot of leeway! Might as well just say "when we get to it."

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#4228120 - 02/11/16 10:32 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Be happy they got to it. smile

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#4228237 - 02/12/16 05:11 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Sounds great Dart. Looking forward to hearing about the DAR inspection.


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#4228286 - 02/12/16 09:38 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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What's the yearly fee for the registration? More or less than a car?

Did you take out some kind of personal insurance (liability or such...)?

#4228669 - 02/13/16 06:34 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Five USD every five years to the FAA to renew the registration. So much lower than a car!

The taxes should be about fifty USD a year, if that.

I won't be able to obtain insurance until it has 100 hours, and then only liability. But at around 15K it's not worth insuring the aircraft itself...especially since it will only be worth 9K USD once it's airworthy.

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#4229271 - 02/15/16 08:02 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: ]  
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I envy you and your project, Dart!

Can't wait to see inflight pics...


I very much feel the same, but then Dart will simply vanish from these pages. Flying, flying and more flying. SimHQers can wait biggrin
I know I would.

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#4229274 - 02/15/16 08:55 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted By: Dart
I won't be able to obtain insurance until it has 100 hours, and then only liability.


That's interesting. So if you take out someone's roof in the 99th hour (at no great damage to you personally, we wouldn't have that happen smile ) then you'll paying all that yourself...?

100 hours is to proof to the insurance that the thing is airworthy and reliable?

#4229461 - 02/15/16 07:09 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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100 hours on an experimental is pretty much the bottom threshold for the insurance companies. At least in the air. They'll insure the aircraft on the ground, though.

After that I could get full coverage, but I won't. It's just not fiscally viable, as I'd be paying more than the plane is worth in pretty short order.

That said, not all experimentals are equal. Some more established kits have a lower threshold.

Mine is actually Number Two of type from Airdrome Airplanes. There are a lot of Graham Lee N11's out there with a shockingly good safety record (only one fatality, and that on flight #1), but that doesn't apply.

[edit]

Remember that the first 40 hours are the test flight phase, and no insurance company is going to cover that (or if they did, will ask for a high premium), and that 40 hours is a minimum guideline. It just means that after 40 hours the aircraft is unleashed from its 25 nm boundary around the home airfield. It's up to the builder to decide when to take it out of test phase once past 40.

Not that I've heard of anyone not taking it out of test. I know a lot of guys that put it back into test phase due to changing something major, but not extending it.

Anyhow, got to get to work on the POH.

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#4230001 - 02/16/16 11:37 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Thanks, lots of interesting details here.

What's a POH?

#4230042 - 02/17/16 02:22 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Pilot Operating Handbook. Sorry for not explaining the acronym.

There's no set standard beyond the obvious stuff of basic stats (Weight and Balance, Gross weight, type of fuel, engine, and V-speeds*), and I've got a couple examples to work from. Some are clearly written by engineers and others by aspiring novelists. I'm hoping to find a happy medium.

* Obviously I don't know the V-speeds beyond the Velocity to Not Exceed (Vne)...best climb over time, distance, over a 50 foot obstacle, etc., are all things I'll have to find out once she's in the air.


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#4230091 - 02/17/16 05:39 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: RSColonel_131st]  
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Originally Posted By: RSColonel_131st
Thanks, lots of interesting details here.

What's a POH?

Don't Google it, I made that mistake last night! eek


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#4230104 - 02/17/16 07:00 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: wheelsup_cavu]  
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Originally Posted By: wheelsup_cavu
Originally Posted By: RSColonel_131st
Thanks, lots of interesting details here.

What's a POH?

Don't Google it, I made that mistake last night! eek


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Why not? She looks like a wonderful cook...

#4230117 - 02/17/16 09:56 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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LOL, you can steal a few pages from "Winged Victory". It's about Camels but close enough.

#4230945 - 02/19/16 04:00 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Saturday is "come find stuff wrong with my airplane" day, with my EAA chapter brothers sharpening their knives and grinning at the prospect.

Should be interesting - most of them have been through the inspection process and have long experience with homebuilts, and know that a tough rehearsal is the surest way to get a good show when the time comes.


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#4231117 - 02/19/16 03:36 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Man, so close I bet you can taste it!

I take it the POH is a necessary step prior to the DAR inspection?

She looks like a tight little ship and you've given a fair bit of thought to all your decisions so I suspect that your chapter buddies aren't going to find more than a few niggles and I-might-have-done-it-this-ways.

Just in time for the springtime!


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#4231165 - 02/19/16 05:07 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Just remember, don't install the guns until AFTER the FAA guy leaves! biggrin

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#4231166 - 02/19/16 05:07 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Yeah, every airplane has to have an owner's manual.

Based on feedback from last night's EAA meeting, it needs a little tweaking but is okay for the most part.


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