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#4198204 - 11/23/15 09:54 PM Re: Latest update [Re: ]  
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Originally Posted By: XIII

Sobek few weeks ago you said that already in general not write on SimHQ and bms forum.So why still here you are trolling?
Another skatezilla who can not keep his word?


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#4198207 - 11/23/15 09:58 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Boomer]  
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My neck is already twisted beyond repair...


Then why do you respond?




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#4198209 - 11/23/15 10:00 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted By: Sobek
Seriously guys, why are you participating in the beta programme if it's so horrible?


Did I say the beta was so horrible. The new download method is horrible, I haven't had any problems with the game personally

#4198212 - 11/23/15 10:03 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Mustang60348]  
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Originally Posted By: Mustang60348
Dude, come on. They changed the download method and now I am getting dialup modem speeds on a 150mbit connection. I am uploading at my max speed but download is incredibly slow. 440 clients connected and I am getting really low speeds.


There's like a dungload of people coming onto this very forum telling you that the updater has a problem. Your reaction is to download the new updater and yack about how it's broken? "Dude", i'm sorry but if you can't see the comedy in that, i'm not really sure what to do for you...

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#4198218 - 11/23/15 10:14 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted By: Sobek
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Dude, come on. They changed the download method and now I am getting dialup modem speeds on a 150mbit connection. I am uploading at my max speed but download is incredibly slow. 440 clients connected and I am getting really low speeds.


There's like a dungload of people coming onto this very forum telling you that the updater has a problem. Your reaction is to download the new updater and yack about how it's broken? "Dude", i'm sorry but if you can't see the comedy in that, i'm not really sure what to do for you...


First of all, I downloaded the updater BEFORE I came here to see if there were issues.

#4198221 - 11/23/15 10:17 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted By: Sobek
Seriously guys, why are you participating in the beta programme if it's so horrible?


Could you please stop posting OT here and perhaps start your own thread? My original question was how are people satisfied, not why they still put up with it. Thanks.

#4198222 - 11/23/15 10:19 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Mustang60348]  
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Originally Posted By: Mustang60348
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Seriously guys, why are you participating in the beta programme if it's so horrible?


Did I say the beta was so horrible. The new download method is horrible, I haven't had any problems with the game personally


The new downloader is being introduced as part of the open beta.

Originally Posted By: Mustang60348

First of all, I downloaded the updater BEFORE I came here to see if there were issues.


That's too bad then. Give it a day or two, knowing c0ff he's gonna throw an all-nighter to get it fixed.

#4198223 - 11/23/15 10:21 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Slider]  
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Could you please stop posting OT here and perhaps start your own thread? My original question was how are people satisfied, not why they still put up with it. Thanks.


Fair enough.

Last time i tried my dl bandwidth was maxed out, but that was before everybody and their neighbour started using it. Will be interesting to see how it pans out during the next few days.

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#4198240 - 11/23/15 10:50 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Slider]  
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the Torrent protocol is new and wip, there will be tweaking and changes made as ED gets more data and feedback.


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#4198242 - 11/23/15 10:59 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Slider]  
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What am I missing?

I did the latest update and see no evidence of a torrent being forced upon me.


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#4198247 - 11/23/15 11:10 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Slider]  
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It could be that they reverted back to http to fix the torrent method.

#4198301 - 11/24/15 03:42 AM Re: Latest update [Re: Slider]  
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No, it is still torrent. You can see it in small letters when you are dl'ing. It kept me from playing last night.... Too long.

As for Mig-21, running the fix should be enough to fix the Reg entries. Just run it.

Im a bit confused. Why an update now if 2.0 is coming in less than a week?

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#4198303 - 11/24/15 03:51 AM Re: Latest update [Re: Maico]  
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Originally Posted By: Maico
No, it is still torrent. You can see it in small letters when you are dl'ing. It kept me from playing last night.... Too long.

Im a bit confused. Why an update now if 2.0 is coming in less than a week?


There is no guarantee that we will get 2.0 in less than a week. They planned to release it around the end of Nov; deadlines have been missed before due to bugs - stuff happens.

There was also talk that 1.5 will be out of beta when 2.0 goes into beta, so it would make sense to fix a few bugs in 1.5 then focus on 2.0.

#4198319 - 11/24/15 04:59 AM Re: Latest update [Re: Revelation78]  
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No, it is still torrent. You can see it in small letters when you are dl'ing. It kept me from playing last night.... Too long.

Im a bit confused. Why an update now if 2.0 is coming in less than a week?


There is no guarantee that we will get 2.0 in less than a week. They planned to release it around the end of Nov; deadlines have been missed before due to bugs - stuff happens.

There was also talk that 1.5 will be out of beta when 2.0 goes into beta, so it would make sense to fix a few bugs in 1.5 then focus on 2.0.


Really? Cpt Obvious just called! He wants his job back. ED miss a deadline? NEVER!!!


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#4198339 - 11/24/15 08:22 AM Re: Latest update [Re: Boomer]  
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Originally Posted By: Boomer
What am I missing?

I did the latest update and see no evidence of a torrent being forced upon me.


It's pretty subtle. The updater works on P2P principles initially (which regardless of how well it works could still be seen as improper even in theory). It doesn't ask or advertise the fact that it's P2P-based and it takes some level of computer literacy to even realize it's doing it.

The only way to not use the P2P distribution method is to run the updater which starts doing the P2P method. Then you have to tell it "cancel" which presumably cancels the update process. What happens instead of canceling the update is there is a hidden second method which asks if you want to try again non-P2P.

How fast or slow it is not really the complaint. You have to do P2P initially, it keeps quiet about it, and the only way not to do it is deliberately (by design) not obvious. They want to reduce their distribution costs and a great way to do that is to use someone else's bandwidth.

P2P is fine but you have to ask permission not steal and hope for forgiveness. "Dear customer, please select the new P2P distribution method. It provides an easy, safe, effective, scalable, and theoretically unlimited speed solution where users receive data from and transmit data to other users. Click OK to update using the new distribution system or cancel is revert to the old method." See how easy that is to be upfront?

#4198650 - 11/24/15 07:45 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Frederf]  
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Originally Posted By: Frederf
[quote=Boomer]...
P2P is fine but you have to ask permission not steal and hope for forgiveness. "Dear customer, please select the new P2P distribution method. It provides an easy, safe, effective, scalable, and theoretically unlimited speed solution where users receive data from and transmit data to other users. Click OK to update using the new distribution system or cancel is revert to the old method." See how easy that is to be upfront?

Naw. They're just taking a page out of Micro$oft's book and doing what M$ did for Windows 10 distribution. And DCS did ask permission. They asked if you wanted to download the new installer. smile M$ simply selected the P2P method by default and it was up to you to find and deselect it after installation.

#4198688 - 11/24/15 09:09 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Slider]  
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#4198738 - 11/24/15 10:42 PM Re: Latest update [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
the Torrent protocol is new and wip, there will be tweaking and changes made as ED gets more data and feedback.


Here's feedback to take back to ED. This method is terrible for the sizes required to update this software.

-Jeff

#4198739 - 11/24/15 10:44 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Slider]  
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#4198782 - 11/24/15 11:32 PM Re: Latest update [Re: Frederf]  
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Originally Posted By: Frederf
They want to reduce their distribution costs and a great way to do that is to use someone else's bandwidth.

I don't think that clients bandwidth will ensure acceptable download speeds for reasons that I mentioned in my previous post. Thus I think that their motivation is to use bittorrent as cheap, or rather should I say cost effective, load balancer. With old system you had to choose one download mirror if you downloaded from their www site, and that was probably what happened behind the scenes with automatic downloader too. With bittorrent, the load will be distributed equally among all of their servers, plus it will make easy to add other (low reliable) machines to the swarm, possibly hosted by affiliates and "good samaritans".

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