Absolutely.
Also what's the point of a 100% accurate digital representation of these aircraft if it means the cost to GPU CPU means there are no collidable trees?

As a BS flier, I can reasonably suggest that if you are not flying a rotary wing, collidable trees are irrelevant.

For a title that folk like to call a study SIM the omission of collidable trees is far from irrelevant. In MP they are used as an "exploit". In SP the ai take no notice of them and like you say rotary wing purchases are flawed.

I think the people don't understand what's going on. ED is a small company. It needs a fairly constant cash influx to pay it's coders, artists, producer, etc. So ED is taking time away from a project that is taking longer (such as a new theatre or a new high fidelity dual role aircraft and they're releasing other modules that they can pump out quicker, to keep the money coming in. This is why we're seeing so many betas being released. The public is stupid enough to buy them so ED is capitalizing on that.

The community gets what it deserves.

Seriously?!

As a fixed wing flier, I can tell you that I have flown through trees on more than one occasion.

That's a little harsh...it's almost a personal insult to a whole community on this forum.

I'm sure the intent isn't to slate the community with that statement......the emphasis being that if we as purchasers of these models continue to rave about beta releases and instantly buy them without a completion date ever being in sight........we're only ever going to get more of the same so we're not helping ourselves.

I pretty much agree with that, yet I'm guilty of it myself. It's difficult when everyone has their favourite platforms and will naturally be excited by particular releases. This means betas will always sell and it's going to be difficult for the public to make a stand. ED know this and will grind out new platforms because it's a bigger money-spinner than putting more resources into new content than actually finishing something off.

The 3rd party development are no different either. The bigger problem with ED is that they will probably have more time sensitive issues from their military contracts so I've no doubt their resources are getting juggled even more.

Based solely on your own speculation, would you rather a their coders, artists and producers work at reduced or no pay just to get you the plane you want?

the greatest challenge ahead for this developer is overcoming its decades old reputation as a rather boorish developer of a flight sim that while very pretty, is no fun to fly compared with what is out there.

I could even go as far as saying that I have not seen anything yet that would convince me that ED is a game developer rather than a flight training tool developer, all they do is to prove it again and again that they are just that, a code developer.

As for what Rugg said, it was a bit harsh but true, people buy incomplete products to support the developer but dont spend any meaningful time on it.

Scuze me for not mincing words, I've never been politically correct. I wasn't slagging the community, I was pointing out that if the community continues to pay for beta software then that's what they're going to get. There are so many fanbois out there that will accept anything ED releases in any level of completeness. Now there's nothing wrong with being a fanboi (so don't get your panties in a bunch) but the message you send when you buy beta software is that it's ok to release beta software. And I'm just as guilty as the rest of you, I purchased the NTTR map.

Now that I've pissed most of you off I'll say that at least ED is quick about squashing game stopping bugs. Kudos for their auto updater.

the only snag : you have to run the sim to find that it works

Agreed , have to admit , never even heard of the L39 .

I agree and thanks for your clarification.
The point of this thread was the poll over on the ED forums to gauge the communities want. There are countless polls on those boards gauging the playerbase wants. From next fixed wing, next ww2;, next rotary wing, next map etc etc. Where in those polls were the l39, the SoH map, the F5? Those polls have been running for years. ED and their 3rd parties take no notice of them. Just saying.

Biggest concern I have is that ED squashed the CORTEX Rhino project. It looked like they may have been making better progress than ED is with their Bug. Not sure what good a hardcore Bug is to us another year from now.

Nice as NTTR will be, without a multi-role jet its still the same ol' same ol'.

Do we actually know the details of what happened there?

We have the F-15 without a clickable cockpit.

I like how personal opinion is fact now.

you posted an oxymoron : my personal opinion cannot be a fact

Opinion
1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: "The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion" (Elizabeth Drew). See Synonyms at view.

Personal
1. Of or relating to a particular person; private: "Like their personal lives, women's history is fragmented, interrupted" (Elizabeth Janeway).

Fact
1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

that said, do you know of any Blog about the Greek Armed Forces ? I am particularly interested in the Kortenaer Class and the Greek Air Force in general.

Personally, i'm really curious to see what will become the bone of contention after both NTTR and the Bug have been released.