Hi,
I just noticed the release of Falcon BMS 4.33

Before I download and get my hopes up in vain, has the issue described in [the 1st post of this old SimHQ thread] been addressed?

I'll take it as a No.

Weapons Hold is not synonymous with hold your fire. If you listen to the audio of the 1989 Gulf of Sidra encounter between two F-14s and two(?) Mig-23s, you will hear the F-14s receive "Caution Yellow - Weapons Hold".

That gave them permission to fire if threatened.

Hi,
the AI pilots engage the enemy even when not a threat. I've explained very well what the problem is in the other thread. Please don't reiterate with the 'fire if threatened' explanation, because it's not the situation at hand.

Well, this is just my 0.0001 cent but i have been flying 4.33 since relase and my wingmens wont fire if i dont give weapon free or until they are under attack.

Works fine for me. Just got low level attack to airbase done, wingmens ignored mig's far away of us. So i say it works now good enough.


And ATC ai is very good now.

On the other hand I've been flying Falcon for years (as I'm sure most of you) and never once had the OP's problem in any version.

I started with falcon AT


Yes, i dont have seen that OP's problem never too.

I use tacview lot and only when mig's take lock to my wingmen he will ignore weapons hold and go defensive.

By, "go defensive", do you mean beaming and dropping chaff and flare?

If I fly a 2-ship (me lead, AI wing) straight at a MiG-29 at some range the wingman will "hounddog" and if I just plow blindly ahead at some point he'll get nervous and go shooty at some range in self defense.

The old documents mention 30 seconds as a timeout between wingman asking and him going (suggesting to confirm weapons hold or no words would allow weapons free). But I found that to be coincidental. Wingman can ask hounddog and if I ignore but maneuver the flight to keep him out of "I ain't dying for you old man" range then there was no 30 second timeout. I think someone tested 30 seconds which happened to be the time from "I see it I wanna kill it" range to "I'm saving my own skin" range.

As per real life the AI has the authority retained to kill something to save their own skin. It's the human lead's job to either keep them outside such a situational need if he wants no weapons fired.

Sorry, i mean that they will engage with missiles if avaible