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#4191599 - 11/06/15 06:12 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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#4191623 - 11/06/15 07:12 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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#4192947 - 11/10/15 04:15 AM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Originally Posted By: DukeIronHand
Eh.
If I was forced to guess I would say consoles and mindless FPS's are the bulk of everything anymore. And that's where companies and developers are putting the resources. That's where the money is. Quick adrenaline fix for the short attention span consumer that suits many in our modern society but that's for a whole other discussion I reckon.
For the old time war gamer/history buff the computer simulation was the next logical step but I suspect I am a dying breed.


Wholeheartedly agree. As someone in my (late) 20s, I grew up with flight sims of the early 90s (I'm thankful I was raised right) wink Kids today do not have the attention span for anything close to WoFF, which is really a shame; the more you put into this sim, the more it gives back. Couple short attention spans with a general lack of interest in anything history (WWI, WW2 or what have you), and it's easy to see why the Call of Dooty 10s sell like hotcakes. Mindless entertainment for the drones.

Slightly off-topic, but still relevant to what I said above:

A few years back in college I had signed up for a US Civil War history course. On the first day the professor went over the syllabus with the class. While he explained that the course would focus on the military campaigns of the North and South, a girl sitting next to me leaned over and asked, "we had a civil war?".


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#4192990 - 11/10/15 07:58 AM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: Giesemaschine]  
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Originally Posted By: DukeIronHand
For the old time war gamer/history buff the computer simulation was the next logical step but I suspect I am a dying breed.

Originally Posted By: Giesemaschine
Kids today do not have the attention span for anything close to WoFF...


Give them time - the good things with a depth like "Wings over Flanders Fields" are rather something for the more mature people;
not the sensation-junk-food for teenies, I would think. But we all get older, and so there might be a good chance...

Originally Posted By: Giesemaschine
While he explained that the course would focus on the military campaigns of the North and South,
a girl sitting next to me leaned over and asked, "we had a civil war?".

The way time is healing all wounds, I suppose. biggrin
Unfortunately it also makes us often repeat all the mistakes that had already been made before...


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#4193003 - 11/10/15 09:55 AM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Way to put a nice spin on it Olham!
I am often shocked how basic, world changing, historical events are unknown to a lot of people.
And it seems the younger they are the more "ignorant" they are about anything - from modern events to epic history - though I have seen the rare older folks who make my jaw drop when history is discussed.
Actually kind of depressing especially when I think of the lives, blood, and treasure, expended to make sure these fools are able, and willing(!) to post what they had for breakfast on Twitter/Facebook like its a big deal courtesy of the sacrifice of others. I really wonder what this country will be like in 100 years. I fear for my children frankly...



#4193063 - 11/10/15 03:49 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Originally Posted By: DukeIronHand
I really wonder what this country will be like in 100 years.
I fear for my children frankly...

Duke, this is pretty much what an ancient Roman (forgot which one) said about the youth of Rome.
That was ca. 2000 years ago - and the world is still there.
So don't worry! winkngrin


EDIT: ...though you might argue, that the Roman Empire actually DID have a deep fall... smile2


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#4193127 - 11/10/15 06:47 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: Olham]  
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#4231935 - 02/21/16 09:19 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Just did a mission and A flight flew top cover the whole patrol,then they flew back and landed at same time as B flight.The whole time I was in landing pattern I was thinking oh dam this is notgonna go well but instead the planes alll flew nicely and landed together.The squad leader of A flight actually passed all of us in B flight in the landing pattern due to his faster EIV.WTF? screwy

#4231950 - 02/21/16 10:10 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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#4231952 - 02/21/16 10:16 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Maybe its best to just not say A flight will provide top cover?

#4232164 - 02/22/16 02:46 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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As it is now "A flight " needs to be removed! In all of my years of this game ,I have NEVER seen A flight do any thing to help my flight.

All of us could use the FPS gained by A flight's removal.


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#4232184 - 02/22/16 03:44 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Well, my Experience is otherwise...
Most of us use the "Skip-Waypoint-Function", when it comes to the Point of circling right into the Stratosphere or to avoid Waypoints, that are not in a more or less straight Line to the Target Area.
If one sticks to the Waypoints, A-Flight is usually in your direct Proximity... and the Rest is up to the individual AI-Characters. Some might help you, others won't, some may even start the Confrontation or go Hunting by themselves... and others might simply run away...

#4232793 - 02/24/16 02:18 AM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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I never get support. The only way is to 'force' it when I'm 'lucky' enough to be chased by enemy and everyone else is in a landing pattern so that I can fly right through them and cause a melee! duel

#4240538 - 03/16/16 05:36 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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#4240602 - 03/16/16 08:24 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: Nietzsche]  
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Originally Posted By: Nietzsche
Well, my Experience is otherwise...
Most of us use the "Skip-Waypoint-Function", when it comes to the Point of circling right into the Stratosphere or to avoid Waypoints, that are not in a more or less straight Line to the Target Area.
If one sticks to the Waypoints, A-Flight is usually in your direct Proximity... and the Rest is up to the individual AI-Characters. Some might help you, others won't, some may even start the Confrontation or go Hunting by themselves... and others might simply run away...


^This. I will follow, or not follow the waypoints depending on whether I want A Flight's assistance or not.


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#4240787 - 03/17/16 10:09 AM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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#4240845 - 03/17/16 02:15 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Lederhosen, everything is going right for you because I never get help. I guess it's just sort of random whether they help or not.


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#4240859 - 03/17/16 02:57 PM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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While making the Gotha mission, I kept getting stumped as to why an aircraft would fly a few hundred meters past the enemy and not engage. Then after fiddling with flight directives, skill, morale, etc.. trying to get over 50 aircraft to battle each other in the same airspace and without resorting to "always engage" in the workshop settings was a challenge, but not impossible. It does heavily depend on the right combination of directives, plane numbers and other factors...

#4251076 - 04/20/16 09:08 AM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Today was another good escort thingy.

I had 6 DV's as escort.
One lone Spad 13, much lower, decided to have a go. When the Spad reached co-alt one and only one DV broke off to engage.
I watched the fight and the Spad quickly got on the tail of the DV. Now here's the nice part. Another DV broke off to help his friend.
The fight was quite sharp and went all the way down to floor level. End result....no one was shot down and the 3 scouts went home. The rest of the escort stayed with me till it was bye bye time.


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#4251086 - 04/20/16 10:20 AM Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Great example for an interesting, "human" AI, Lederhosen!
Thanx for sharing!


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