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#4189391 - 11/01/15 08:16 PM Darth Jar Jar  
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The original Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/commen..._user/t3_3qvj6w

An over the top theory, but it would make the film series completely different to put it mildly. biggrin


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#4189414 - 11/01/15 09:47 PM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Immermann]  
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#4189519 - 11/02/15 02:53 AM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Immermann]  
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It seems likely enough, the way it's presented here, but SW canon says there can be only two Siths - a master and an apprentice. In this theory there would suddenly be three.

([JarJar]Meesa didn't reada tha canon[/JarJar])


There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the universe is for it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
#4189527 - 11/02/15 03:28 AM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Immermann]  
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That idea runs into problems. If one of the Sith is killed, then that defeats its own rule.

So for example, if Darth Maul is killed, someone would have to be promoted immediately. As what's his name said, ' there are always two, no more, no less '. So someone would have to be on call for that contingency, and their training has to be right up to the level of a Sith to fill the space at an instant's notice. When Count Dooku is killed, who is that replaces him? For a time after that until Anakin is converted, it's just Palpatine alone and the rules are apparently broken. Maybe there's some book that explains all this, but as far as the films go, this is just left hanging.

Suppose Anakin was killed by Obi Wan. Who would have been the next in line that ready to step up, who was already trained up and ready to go to take his place?

#4189549 - 11/02/15 06:14 AM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Immermann]  
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The "Rule of Two" was put into place by Darth Bane because he saw that a large group of Sith would inevitably destroy itself due to infighting.


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So it's more correct to say 'there should not be more than two Siths simultaneously'? But if one forcekicks the bucket prematurely, so there's only one, that one can then change his LinkedIn status to 'looking for Apprentice'?


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There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
#4189555 - 11/02/15 07:34 AM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Immermann]  
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They were Jar Jar and Palpatine. All the rest were just
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#4189572 - 11/02/15 09:57 AM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Mechanus]  
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Originally Posted By: Mechanus
That idea runs into problems. If one of the Sith is killed, then that defeats its own rule.

So for example, if Darth Maul is killed, someone would have to be promoted immediately. As what's his name said, ' there are always two, no more, no less '. So someone would have to be on call for that contingency, and their training has to be right up to the level of a Sith to fill the space at an instant's notice. When Count Dooku is killed, who is that replaces him? For a time after that until Anakin is converted, it's just Palpatine alone and the rules are apparently broken. Maybe there's some book that explains all this, but as far as the films go, this is just left hanging.

Suppose Anakin was killed by Obi Wan. Who would have been the next in line that ready to step up, who was already trained up and ready to go to take his place?


With both the master and the apprentice trying to kill each other as a measure of strength, I would say there are tons of dead sith apprentice lying around the galaxy. During ROTJ, Darth Sidieous/Imperial Emperor was trying to get Luke to kill Darth Vader to replace him since Vader has grown too powerful to control and needs replacing with a weaker Sith apprentice.

#4189590 - 11/02/15 12:03 PM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Immermann]  
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I'm convinced that Lucas's inspiration for the Sith leadership style was Joseph Stalin. smile

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#4189674 - 11/02/15 03:25 PM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Immermann]  
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The Sith cheat.

They have a number of farm league Siths running around, like Darth Maul, that they have in the wings to chose from.


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#4189678 - 11/02/15 03:29 PM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Immermann]  
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Sith hangarounds and prospects you mean?


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#4189681 - 11/02/15 03:32 PM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Immermann]  
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Well Sidieous didn't believe in the rule of two. He followed his own rule of one. Before Disney nuked the EU he trained a couple of force users in the Sith way. The whole Sith thing is convoluted. I mean what would they do if another dark force user popped up and claimed he was the dark lord of the sith?

As far as Jar Jar being a secret Sith. It would have been a damned fine twist to explain the character.


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#4189696 - 11/02/15 04:07 PM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Immermann]  
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All the non-EU information about the Sith we get mostly from the Jedi. Hardly an unbiased source...or an informed one.

Considering the Jedi Council's track record during the waning days of the Old Republic, I'd not hire them to change a lightbulb, and therefore am highly skeptical about their knowledge on the Sith.

And what Palpatine says about the Sith does sound a hell of a lot more reasonable than what the Jedi say. smile



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#4189735 - 11/02/15 05:04 PM Re: Darth Jar Jar [Re: Allaire]  
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Originally Posted By: Allaire
The "Rule of Two" was put into place by Darth Bane because he saw that a large group of Sith would inevitably destroy itself due to infighting.


That would be an explanation for why that would be so, but it doesn't appear to be a hard rule. It's not a mystical or sacred reason for the number two, it just means that ideally, they want to have two ready to go at any time.

But in practice, this runs into problems if we understand it the way the Jedi explain it, as if it could never be a rule that is broken. That's evidently not the case, and so the Jedi might want to reconsider what they are up against.

As someone else might have noticed, Palapatine should keep a ready supply of candidates ready to go, in case the apprentice gets knocked off (of if the Master is killed).

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The Jedi have had a not-so-subtle Sith Lord sitting right in front of their noses/nostrils/snouts/gills for about 15 years and didn't notice a thing! banghead smash

So what do they know!? biggrin

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Palapatine should keep a ready supply of candidates ready to go, in case the apprentice gets knocked off (of if the Master is killed).


Who says he didn't? There are these Inquisitors, who are active, lightsabre-wielding force users. Since they are in the animated series "Rebels", they are official canon. It might be possible that they were trained by Vader...or that Palpatine did have some potential Sith apprentices hidden away somewhere.

The fact that he was so keen on recruiting Anakin was due to the prophecy of him being the Chosen One (tm), and very strong in the Force (high Midichlorian count - thanks again for that, Mr. Lucas mad ). It does not necessarily mean that he didn't have a plan B, or C, or D....

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I think we've analyzed the Sith/Jedi relationship to a much farther degree than Lucas ever intended or conceived. wink


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That must be the case. And that's what film criticism is all about- outwitting the filmmakers.

There are people who are down on film critics, but we all are film critics. Whether you do it because you want maximum benefit for your entertainment budget, or because you enjoy the game in and of itself, films are a form of manipulation. By their very nature, the films show you what the producers and actors and directors want you to see and believe, so you are in a game against them for your own psyche. Some directors and some audiences are more in the game than others, some directors more deliberately challenge audiences, but in general, this is what all films are. The filmmakers themselves should be film critics in order to anticipate, manipulate, cajole and shape audience's reactions to what they're doing.


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Originally Posted By: Jayhawk


The fact that he was so keen on recruiting Anakin was due to the prophecy of him being the Chosen One (tm), and very strong in the Force (high Midichlorian count - thanks again for that, Mr. Lucas mad ). It does not necessarily mean that he didn't have a plan B, or C, or D....


Therefore, the Jar Jar theory would not necessarily be knocked out of the running because of that rule- it has no effect and it can't be ruled out for that reason.

So, if there is anything at all to this, it would be a very different turn of events if Jar Jar came back and he were this totally different character. Improbable, ok, and I don't think Lucas is really that dark. But maybe it would make up for a lot of the lameness set up in the prequels.

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One to have the power, and one to crave it. When the apprentice has enough power, or the master has weakened, it is accepted that there will be a power struggle. Whoever wins deserves to win by being stronger, and a new apprentice is then chosen.
Of course there are candidates scouted out and kept ready for whenever this occurs. In Sidious' case, when Maul was cut down unexpectedly he couldn't waste another decade training someone. Instead, he lucked out and turned Dooku who was already disillusioned by the Jedi's failure to detect Maul and refusal to go on a hunt for the other.
Sidious demonstrated that the Jedi's lack of ability and willingness to act were a prime reason the Sith should wipe them out.
Then Sidious decided it was time to bring his true choice for his next apprentice to the fore, and after a decade of shaping his philosophy without using Force methods initiated him with his previous apprentice's execution and finally revealed himself.



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