#4185386 - 10/23/15 05:57 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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Or they could do what ED does, just make it without a license or input from the company Incorrect, stop posting one liners assuming you know what goes on and suggesting that ED does not pursue legal rights to legally build and replicate aircraft and their systems. K Thanks. According to the disclaimer in the game , None of the copyright holders, endorse, sponsor or are otherwise involved in the development of the weapons, aircraft etc in DCS World. Sounds to me like they don't have licenses for the aircraft etc. So I will ask you directly, which weapon systems are licensed for use in the game.
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#4185391 - 10/23/15 06:03 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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That disclaimer does not say they do not have a license when a license is required.
try again.
To accurately re produce any systems of any aircraft requires a license.
Every PSM DCS Aircraft is in that category.
Names, visual representation etc.
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#4185395 - 10/23/15 06:05 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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That disclaimer does not say they do not have a license when a license is required.
try again.
To accurately re produce any systems of any aircraft requires a license.
Every PSM DCS Aircraft is in that category.
Names, visual representation etc.
If they had licences, they would mean they are endorsing the product, that is one of the things a license does, endorse a product for release, like the UH1
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#4185414 - 10/23/15 06:42 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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That disclaimer does not say they do not have a license when a license is required.
try again.
To accurately re produce any systems of any aircraft requires a license.
Every PSM DCS Aircraft is in that category.
Names, visual representation etc.
So don't. Fudge it and make it "close enough." The vast majority of the customers won't notice or care. If the choice is "not close to 100% accurate AH-1" or "no AH-1", I'm going with not close over nothing any day. I'd rather have it merely largely correct than stare at AI helos and wish I could fly them. If you're an anal "it has to be almost crossing the line to classified to satisfy me!!" type, fine, don't buy it. It's hardly fair to deny a lesser-modeled version to the customers who won't mind just because it's not good enough for the hardliners. The Jedi Master
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#4186204 - 10/26/15 06:34 AM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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Ok kids, play nice. No kicking between the legs and no hair pulling. We are all adults. Is there anything to show on the F-E? Any new eye candy coming out of the factory? In the meantime this F-5E documentary peaked my interest in the F-5. I built the Hasegawa 1:32 model way back in High School. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZQir_yH_J8
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#4186549 - 10/26/15 07:50 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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If you're an anal "it has to be almost crossing the line to classified to satisfy me!!" type, fine, don't buy it. It's hardly fair to deny a lesser-modeled version to the customers who won't mind just because it's not good enough for the hardliners.
Why I prefer the FC3 level of aircraft. I dont have the time to get a certification in each and I like to fly a variety. -Jeff
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#4186697 - 10/27/15 05:14 AM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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Sometimes you must look at modules like model building. Us old heads built a lot of models when we were young. You never forget thinking I want to build that Monogram B-24! Then you got home and opened the box. Halfway through your inspection of components you realized that the box was going to be in the closet for a long, long time. The next weekend you bought a 1/48 scale Zero. You did because you knew you would have it done in a week. A module like the A-10C or MiG-21 takes time to learn and maybe a lifetime to master. Spending willy nilly on modules you will have some you never touch. I go home at 6 every night. By the time I get to chill out in front of my PC it is 7 or 8. I have an hour or two to fly. This means most of the time I get in the MiG-15 because it is simple and easy. On the weekend I want to challenge myself a bit more so I can do some F-15, MiG-21/29 or even some Helo stuff. There is a reason why this is called a STUDY SIM. When you want to turn off your brain and blow stuff up there is BoS, CLOD, IL2 1946 and a variety of others. Oh, I cant forget Strike Fighters... If you think it is easy, you must not be playing it full switch.
Just my view.
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#4186844 - 10/27/15 03:07 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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Exactly, there is need for both types of sims, and the "DCS should be study modules only" attitude helps no one. They take longer to make, which lowers output and therefore revenue generation.
Which is better, to make one DCS for $60 every three years, or make three FC planes in the same period for $25 each? The company makes 25% more, there are 3x as many planes to be used in the sim, people don't need a degree to master them...
There is a place for the DCS modules, for the special aircraft they can get sufficient info about, but they should be outnumbered by FC modules by at least 2 to 1. There are planes that will NEVER get DCS treatment (the Su-33 is apparently one). I'm glad it's there as it is instead of simply having no Su-33 to fly because the DCS-level information is restricted!
I remember Wags saying FC3 outsold many of their other modules. I remain surprised that they've not made an "FC4" with a new batch of similar-level planes for DCSW (as opposed to FC4 being FC3's planes in a new sim as the previous were). Maybe make a WWII FC or Korean War FC to get a bunch of planes out at once. Yeah, the Hornet is going to be great as a DCS module, but I'd be happy with an FC F-15E or something too.
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#4186862 - 10/27/15 03:29 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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There is a reason why this is called a STUDY SIM. When you want to turn off your brain and blow stuff up there is BoS, CLOD, IL2 1946 and a variety of others. Oh, I cant forget Strike Fighters... If you think it is easy, you must not be playing it full switch. Valid. I'm excited about the F-5E. Has a radar. Not overly complex, mostly a VFR dogfighter. I'll wait anxiously. In the meantime, I'll continue driving my A-10A and Huey. -Jeff
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#4186994 - 10/27/15 08:04 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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I would've said the same thing last year about the MiG-21bis. The Jedi Master
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#4188273 - 10/30/15 06:05 AM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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I have days that are a bear. Sometimes I go home and I am tired and the gametime turns into 40 minutes before I go to bed. I try to fly the Huey or some other complex machine but I just cant muster my brain cells into action. I ask myself "How can I feel better?" The answer is either BoS, IL2 or WoV/WoI. I still really enjoy a 8vs8 dogfight in IL2 1946. Weekends are mostly filled with DCS time.
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#4193057 - 11/10/15 03:29 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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Weapon Setup for the F-5 from Belsimtek F-5E Tiger II. The armament that is planned to develop The light tactical fighter F-5E Tiger II is developed primarily for air combat with enemy fighters, bombers, reconnaissance planes, and helicopters. Two 20-mm caliber cannons with 280 rounds per barrel and two air-to-air heat-seeking missiles AIM-9 can be used for this task.
At the same time, capabilities of onboard weapon systems and the presence of five hardpoints, allow employment of unguided and guided (external laser source) bombs, cluster bombs and unguided rockets in airstrike missions.
The following armament is planned to be available for the player:
1. Two 20-mm caliber M-39A3 cannons with rate of fire of 1500-1700 rounds per minute and ammunition of 280 rounds per gun;
2. Two heat-seeking missiles (AIM-9B or AIM-9P) (currently we are considering these versions);
3. Unguided bombs:
· 5x Mk-82
· 3x Mk-83
· 1x Mk-84
· 5x Mk-82 Snakeye
· 5x M-117
· MER-5 5x Mk-82
· MER-5 5x Mk-82 Snakeye;
4. Cluster bombs:
· 5хCBU-52B;
5. Guided bombs:
· 4x GBU-12 (buddy lasing or ground laser designator);
6. Unguided rockets:
· 4x LAU-61 (x19) (LAU-3 or LAU-60 could be added later)
· 4x LAU-68 (x7);
7. Flare dispenser:
· SUU-25C.
All the items, mentioned above, at this moment, have different status of readiness, but we are already sure that it will be a very interesting and playable module! http://www.belsimtek.com/news/1558/
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#4193110 - 11/10/15 06:13 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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Exactly, there is need for both types of sims, and the "DCS should be study modules only" attitude helps no one. They take longer to make, which lowers output and therefore revenue generation.
Which is better, to make one DCS for $60 every three years, or make three FC planes in the same period for $25 each? The company makes 25% more, there are 3x as many planes to be used in the sim, people don't need a degree to master them...
There is a place for the DCS modules, for the special aircraft they can get sufficient info about, but they should be outnumbered by FC modules by at least 2 to 1. There are planes that will NEVER get DCS treatment (the Su-33 is apparently one). I'm glad it's there as it is instead of simply having no Su-33 to fly because the DCS-level information is restricted!
I remember Wags saying FC3 outsold many of their other modules. I remain surprised that they've not made an "FC4" with a new batch of similar-level planes for DCSW (as opposed to FC4 being FC3's planes in a new sim as the previous were). Maybe make a WWII FC or Korean War FC to get a bunch of planes out at once. Yeah, the Hornet is going to be great as a DCS module, but I'd be happy with an FC F-15E or something too.
The Jedi Master Agreed. The personal "sweet spot" for me these days is FC3 level controls and the PFM (or what ever the advanced flight model is called) -I've gotten over my personal requirement for clickable cockpits. Well built MFD profiles and access to the key commands in-game help greatly here! These products are more accessible to new-comers as well. Too much other stuff going on in my life to really sink teeth into a DCS level module. I'll still buy every DCS module that comes out, because there's some great stuff on the horizon, but I'll personally get more mileage out of the FC3 level birds for a while. PS: on Record, I really like the SF2 series. TONS of awesome mods and a nicely done Dynamic campaign. I just wish it had MP and TK hadn't changed his focus over to mobile
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#4193146 - 11/10/15 07:31 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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Sometimes I go home and I am tired and the gametime turns into 40 minutes before I go to bed. I try to fly the Huey or some other complex machine but I just cant muster my brain cells into action. I actually find flicking the switches strangely relaxing. On the other hand, having a cockpit like the F-15C full of unflickable switches frustrates me. It's like being in a toy shop and getting my hand slapped every time I try to touch something.
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#4193179 - 11/10/15 09:11 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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I only have time for a DCS level plane, and this one is the BMS 4.33 Falcon. The day DCS releases their F/A-18C I will need to share my virtual time between both birds. I will love to see more FC3 level aircraft.
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#4193269 - 11/11/15 04:49 AM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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So we have F-14 coming and now the F5. Could somebody make a black paint skin for the F5 then we can replay scenes from the top gun movie ...because I was inverted. We, Navy, "we" were inverted. Haha
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#4193277 - 11/11/15 05:59 AM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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So we have F-14 coming and now the F5. Could somebody make a black paint skin for the F5 then we can replay scenes from the top gun movie ...because I was inverted. We, Navy, "we" were inverted. Haha Sorry Goose. That really was a great shot, really great. You should be a photographer.
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#4193378 - 11/11/15 04:20 PM
Re: Belsimtek: F-5E Tiger II
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Exactly, there is need for both types of sims, and the "DCS should be study modules only" attitude helps no one. They take longer to make, which lowers output and therefore revenue generation.
Which is better, to make one DCS for $60 every three years, or make three FC planes in the same period for $25 each? The company makes 25% more, there are 3x as many planes to be used in the sim, people don't need a degree to master them...
There is a place for the DCS modules, for the special aircraft they can get sufficient info about, but they should be outnumbered by FC modules by at least 2 to 1. There are planes that will NEVER get DCS treatment (the Su-33 is apparently one). I'm glad it's there as it is instead of simply having no Su-33 to fly because the DCS-level information is restricted!
I remember Wags saying FC3 outsold many of their other modules. I remain surprised that they've not made an "FC4" with a new batch of similar-level planes for DCSW (as opposed to FC4 being FC3's planes in a new sim as the previous were). Maybe make a WWII FC or Korean War FC to get a bunch of planes out at once. Yeah, the Hornet is going to be great as a DCS module, but I'd be happy with an FC F-15E or something too.
The Jedi Master I really have to disagree with most of what you said. Your post and mine are purely subjective of course and only are our personal wants and desires, not a barometer for the world. For me the lack of a multi role, full fidelity six degrees of freedom clickable cockpit fighter/bomber with fully modeled avionics and war systems is disappointing. Please no more arcade model aircraft because it's convenient. This is a sim, and the bar has been set very high with the Mig 21, Mig 15 and F-86, the Huey and Ka-50, the WWII birds and every other fully simulated aircraft in the sim. The FA-18 will scratch that itch, but I'd rather they concentrated all of their energy there and not on development of more FC3 style of aircraft. In full disclosure it was the FC3 F-15C that I flew first and drew me into the rest of the sim. I still fly it as it's the only very modern fighter available for online warfare if flying the Blue side, and is usually opposed by the Su-27, Su-31, 33 and Mig 29. All of those aircraft are FC3 planes, and I'm grateful they're available to fly, but they're merely a shadow of what the fully modelled modules are and don't offer the same experience , not even close. Your mileage may vary!
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