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#4173181 - 09/25/15 01:13 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Well, maybe, but far more likely they just don't care. Cheating on emissions testing is really not the purview of the CIA or NSA.




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#4173250 - 09/25/15 03:42 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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I see the tin foil hats are out in full force today.


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#4173291 - 09/25/15 04:26 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted By: Crane Hunter
No doubt U.S. intelligence knew about this years ago and sat on the info until they knew Volkswagen would be hurt by the size of the recall, well played if that's the case.


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#4173304 - 09/25/15 04:56 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted By: oldgrognard


Say what ?


Intel agencies are used to provide an economic advantage after all.

Other than maybe a disgruntled VW employee, who could have tipped off the EPA given such a subtle software measure?

#4173314 - 09/25/15 05:07 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted By: Crane Hunter

Intel agencies are used to provide an economic advantage after all.

Other than maybe a disgruntled VW employee, who could have tipped off the EPA given such a subtle software measure?


http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/2...re-industry-and

From the article,

"The scandal broke on September 18th, when Americas Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) revealed that several diesel-engined VWs and Audis had software which switched NOx-controlling technology on only when faced with the highly predictable sort of demands seen under test conditions."



So let's just pretend for now that the CIA/NSA/whatever was colluding with the EPA for the specific purpose of bringing down VW. Do you realize how many people would have to be involved in this consipiracy in order to pull this off? There is no way that could be kept totally under wraps.


Nah, what happened here instead is that the EPA was taking its time to gather enough evidence before they made the announcement.


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#4173400 - 09/25/15 08:13 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Because if there's one thing the US gov't is concerned about, it's falling to German industry. rolleyes



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#4174621 - 09/28/15 10:38 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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#4174756 - 09/29/15 07:50 AM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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All VWs being called back to repair the software, receive a bumper sticker:

"Your health may be hazardous to the german automobile industry."

#4174762 - 09/29/15 08:33 AM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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#4174853 - 09/29/15 01:08 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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The first inklings came from an independent lab in 2012:

http://www.npr.org/2015/09/24/443053672/...agens-big-cheat

But of course being scientists, they wanted to rigorously test the data, and as Panzer suggests, makes sure all the ducks were in a row before going public with the findings. Which is the responsible thing to do, given the magnitude of the scandal. As for other car companies cheating in the same way, I strongly doubt it- after all, no other auto makers have been making the same claims as VW when it comes to their diesel technology.


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#4174898 - 09/29/15 02:52 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: CG2015]  
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Originally Posted By: CG2015
In related news, BMW and Daimler may have done the same thing:

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/24/investing/bmw-diesel-emissions-shares/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/volkswagen-emissions-bmw-1.3241472

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/a26797/report-bmw-x3-diesel-also-dirty/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/24/us-usa-volkswagen-daimler-idUSKCN0RO17D20150924

I need a job like his. Step down or get ousted and still get a big severance paycheck.

Same thing happen with the CEO of United Airlines that stepped down a couple of weeks ago because of a scandal and he will receive almost $20 million.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news...ow/49091158.cms


Better a severance package than an expensive lawsuit.

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#4174901 - 09/29/15 02:58 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Speaking of lawsuits, the long caravan of lawyers is already forming as expected.


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#4174976 - 09/29/15 05:16 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted By: Crane Hunter
No doubt U.S. intelligence knew about this years ago and sat on the info until they knew Volkswagen would be hurt by the size of the recall, well played if that's the case.


There is nothing the Germans (or any other country) can do wrong that can't ultimately blamed on the USA in general and the NSA in particular.


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#4175231 - 09/30/15 03:45 AM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted By: Dart

There is nothing the Germans (or any other country) can do wrong that can't ultimately blamed on the USA in general and the NSA in particular.


Yeah, you'd think the NSA could've warned Gaius Julius against Brutus, but noooooo, the NSAgenda wanted Octavius on the throne at any cost!


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#4175264 - 09/30/15 08:06 AM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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As the owner of a 2013 Golf TDI that really wants nothing but to see the Porche family [...], this was funny and cathartic.

#4175287 - 09/30/15 10:25 AM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: CG2015]  
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Originally Posted By: CG2015



LOL! I can't stop laughing! biggrin


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#4175389 - 09/30/15 03:25 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Anyone else see the irony in this video that Panzers used petrol and the problem is with diesel?


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#4175425 - 09/30/15 04:50 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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I regularly hear a radio station, which every morning has some funny or sarcastic fake news a few minutes after the real ones.

A few days ago they stated, that after the scandal, the number off sells of VWs in the US has gone UP.

They said, the common US citizen thought, that these small, fuel-efficient, low-emission cars were only for ecologist hippies from the west-coast.

Now when they found out, that VWs are really stinky diesels, they are accepted as real cars...... biggrin

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#4175477 - 09/30/15 05:46 PM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Unfortunately, there is some truth to that characterization. There is definitely a sizable proportion of the population that wants to behave in a contrary manner to whatever "common wisdom" may be, if for no reason other than bucking the trend. If there's a shred of evidence to back up their stance, they hold it all the more fiercely.




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#4175778 - 10/01/15 11:08 AM Re: Hitler reacts to VW emissions scandal... [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Obviously *somebody* phoned in a tip
to the EPA.

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