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#4172600 - 09/23/15 10:33 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 584 3instein Member
3instein Member Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 584 Falkirk,Scotland	I actually paid $60 for the A-10C so the price of $60 seems about right for a module of this fidelity. Money for me just now is pretty tight so I will just have to wait a little for a sale of sorts TBH. I remember with the Huey (I think), I paid $50 at release and it felt like around 3-4 weeks later it was on sale for a fraction of the price, I have also noticed this happen a good few times with modules since, whether it will happen so soon with the Mirage I don't know. I am just now trying to get to grips with the SU-27 after picking it up in the last sale and will purchase Nevada before the cut of date of Oct 1st to qualify for the 2 free campaigns, this will keep me going for a wee while. Saying that though, if Nevada is as good as it looks I can see me picking up the Mirage sooner than later whatever the price. In the end I suppose it's all down to our own personal priorities in what we want to fly and when. Mick. "An appeaser is someone who feeds the crocodile hoping he will be eaten last" Winston Churchill

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#4172731 - 09/24/15 05:58 AM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
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nirvi Member Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 101 Switzerland	First look of the M2000C on the Nevada map, looking good. Gamestar Pinboard Squadron My Youtube ED Translator

#4172753 - 09/24/15 09:30 AM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
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Mustang60348 Member Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 481	"Hmmm, What are those F5s doing there"

#4172755 - 09/24/15 09:35 AM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Mustang60348]
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,896 bogusheadbox Opinionated Aussie Bloke
bogusheadbox Opinionated Aussie Bloke Senior Member Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,896	Originally Posted By: Mustang60348 "Hmmm, What are those F5s doing there" Its a red herring, its a SU25 with camouflage paint....... Nothing to see here, move along. Though what I really want to know about the mirage (for some strange reason its acquiring my interest) is... Q) Will the mirage be another module released into beta with a placeholder FM with an unforeseen date to its AFM/PFM (or whatever its called these days)? Or are the going to have the good flight model release for sale when the plane goes to market ? Thoughts on a postcard. P.s. Stop looking at the F5 Fighterops... The only TRUE Stealth crowd funded game. Devs said there was stuff there, but you just couldn't see it.

#4172759 - 09/24/15 09:42 AM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
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Mustang60348 Member Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 481	I hope so , otherwise we might end up with another VEAO disaster.

#4172809 - 09/24/15 01:04 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
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Maico Member Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 597 Qatar	The F-5, the darling of Red Flag? The most hated plane by A-10 and F-15 pilots? The F-5E runs circles around fighters and has probably the faster rate of roll of anything in the sky. it is very capable. Is that an F-5E I smell in the works? I might be wrong.... But I think its coming because: Matt Wagner make a remark in a video It makes sense in NTTR. It will bring a lot of customers(only the dismal performing F-104 is sexier) Makes for great dogfights. Maico i7 5930 @4.2Ghz EVGA GTX1080 8GB Hybrid DDR4 3000 x 32Gig Fatal1ty x99x Mother LG 34"UC97 Curved Ultra Wide 3440x1440 TiR5, Thrustmaster Warthog, Slaw Device Bf-109 Pedals

#4172823 - 09/24/15 01:18 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 6,968 Jayhawk Silastic Armorfiend
Jayhawk Silastic Armorfiend Hotshot Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 6,968 Docking Bay 94	There'a also an F-5 icon on Matt Wagner's DCS World GUI start screen. Why men throw their lives away attacking an armed Witcher... I'll never know. Something wrong with my face?

#4173412 - 09/25/15 08:25 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Jedi Master]
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,168 Flogger23m Senior Member
Flogger23m Senior Member Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,168 US	Originally Posted By: Jedi Master So, quite simply, $60 for only the plane represents a real cost increase. A theoretical M2000+NTTR bundle, the closest equivalent to what A-10C originally offered, would be $100 at list prices. To match the original A-10C price, the M2000 would need to be $34 and NTTR $25. Frankly, that's probably the prices I'll wait to pay to get them, too. I agreed with your whole post. I know sims are niche so I don't mind them being a bit more pricey. But, looks like you will have to wait a long time for a sale: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2484728&postcount=6 http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=147496 I'll have to pick and choose modules more carefully I suppose. I won't be impulse buying modules at those prices like I did with the Hawk at $15.

#4173435 - 09/25/15 08:55 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
Joined: Feb 2000 Posts: 49,716 Jedi Master Entil'zha
Jedi Master Entil'zha Sierra Hotel Joined: Feb 2000 Posts: 49,716 Space Coast, USA	On the one hand, the frequent sales do dilute the appeal of paying full price. That said, I think full price is too much. It's still $40 for the A-10C when not on sale? Really? The Jedi Master The anteater is wearing the bagel because he's a reindeer princess. -- my 4 yr old daughter

#4173445 - 09/25/15 09:11 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
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scrim Member Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,180	As I've said before, I think it's just down to where they are based. ED's based in Russia, whereas Razbam is located in different Western countries IIRC, so their expenses vary a lot. I'd guess that's why ED and BST sell all their modules dirt cheap several times a year, whereas e.g. Leatherneck "only" lowers the price by ~20%.

#4173486 - 09/25/15 11:16 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: scrim]
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,168 Flogger23m Senior Member
Flogger23m Senior Member Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,168 US	Originally Posted By: scrim As I've said before, I think it's just down to where they are based. ED's based in Russia, whereas Razbam is located in different Western countries IIRC, so their expenses vary a lot. I'd guess that's why ED and BST sell all their modules dirt cheap several times a year, whereas e.g. Leatherneck "only" lowers the price by ~20%. Well, according to Wags, those cheap sales are a thing of the past. At low prices I'm tempted, and in some cases such as the Hawk, I end up buying the module. But I won't be paying $30 or so for a MIG-15 seeing that there are no time period units for them. Even if there was, I'm not paying that much for a MIG-15 on its own because I won't play it much. At low prices I often consider buying a module just to help out the devs, which is why I liked the sales. Even if I don't play it much, I'd probably get my moneys worth. I think the major DCS fans will buy them at full price regardless. With any luck, maybe we'll see $10-15 module sales return at a later date.

#4173510 - 09/26/15 12:47 AM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,922 Paradaz Senior Member
Paradaz Senior Member Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,922 UK	I think Wags would say that about the sales anyway....especially when the release of DCS 1.5-2.0 is likely to trigger a flux of 3rd party products to the table that have been waiting in the wings whilst ED to get their act together. It just wouldn't make sense for ED to suggest that the next sale is imminent even though new products are unlikely to get discounted as some people would undoubtedly interpret it as that and would hold off on pre-purchasing or not paying for content on release and wait a few months. I'm sure ED would rather get full price for their products than promote sales, especially when they need to start looking at the next product release rather than adding polish to all the other betas they have on the go. More profit at the end of the day. On the Eighth day God created Paratroopers and the Devil stood to attention.

#4173591 - 09/26/15 08:01 AM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Nevyn]
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,168 Flogger23m Senior Member
Flogger23m Senior Member Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,168 US	Originally Posted By: Nevyn Originally Posted By: Flogger23m Originally Posted By: Nevyn Sorry Razbam, your pricing smacks of a rip off, it has put me off completely, I was looking forward to throwing money at you, but with that price, see ya on special's day. But a $50 P-51D wasn't a ripoff? People really hate Razbam and the Mirage 2000 it seems. I don't hate them, I feel nothing for them, but for me it's the principle of the thing, I feel they are ripping us, if you allow them to get away with it now, when you look again these modules will be costing $80 or $90 in the near future, thats how businessmen roll, they not to be trusted at all, they not your friends, if you give them a finger, they will take your arm. Anyway DCS has lost my loyalty, I will not buy another module at full price again, and I own all the modules and just about every one of them I bought at full price, to support the devs so that DCS wont die out, now I don't care anymore,they can go under for all I care, and DCS is the only game I play now so that should tell you something, but I will not do it again, specials for me only. Besides, how come the NTTR and the L-39 are $50 but not this module? What makes them so special eh? Surely the NTTR map was 20 times the work of a single plane? I'm not sure how much the map cost, but I'd imagine its cheaper than an aircraft. I'm purely guessing here though. And a Mirage 2000 is not a L-39. The A-10C was $60 to. Personally, I think the WWII planes should be $15-20, the trainers roughly the same, planes like the Mirage 2000C around $40-50, and multi role planes at $60. That is before sales. I don't value the trainers/WWII planes nearly as much, mainly because they're much simpler to make.

#4173623 - 09/26/15 12:50 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Flogger23m]
Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 797 leaf_on_the_wind Member
leaf_on_the_wind Member Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 797	Originally Posted By: Flogger23m Originally Posted By: scrim As I've said before, I think it's just down to where they are based. ED's based in Russia, whereas Razbam is located in different Western countries IIRC, so their expenses vary a lot. I'd guess that's why ED and BST sell all their modules dirt cheap several times a year, whereas e.g. Leatherneck "only" lowers the price by ~20%. Well, according to Wags, those cheap sales are a thing of the past. At low prices I'm tempted, and in some cases such as the Hawk, I end up buying the module. But I won't be paying $30 or so for a MIG-15 seeing that there are no time period units for them. Even if there was, I'm not paying that much for a MIG-15 on its own because I won't play it much. At low prices I often consider buying a module just to help out the devs, which is why I liked the sales. Even if I don't play it much, I'd probably get my moneys worth. I think the major DCS fans will buy them at full price regardless. With any luck, maybe we'll see $10-15 module sales return at a later date. Sales a thing of the past ? 09-25-2015, 06:28 PM DCS Sale on Steam! For the next week, we will be having a DCS module sale on Steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/223750/ � DCS: Flaming Cliffs 3: $39.99 to $23.99 (40% off) � DCS: A-10C Warthog: $39.99 to $23.99 (40% off) � DCS: Black Shark 2: $39.99 to $23.99 (40% off) � DCS: F-86F Sabre: $49.99 to $34.99 (30% off) � DCS: Mi-8MTV2 Magnificent Eight: 49.99 to $34.99 (30% off) � DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora: $49.99 to $34.99 (30% off) � DCS: Bf 109 K-4 Kurf�rst: $49.99 to $34.99 (30% off) � Hawk for DCS World: $39.99 to $27.99 (30% off) � DCS: Combined Arms: $19.99 to $13.99 (30% off) � A-10A for DCS World: $9.99 to $6.99 (30% off) � Su-25 for DCS World: $9.99 to $6.99 (30% off) � DCS: MiG-15bis: $49.99 to $39.99 (20% off) � DCS: UH-1H Huey: $49.99 to $39.99 (20% off) � DCS: P-51D Mustang: $29.99 to $23.99 (20% off) � F-15C for DCS World: $9.99 to $7.99 (20% off) � Su-27 for DCS World: $9.99 to $7.99 (20% off) � Su-27 The Ultimate Argument Campaign: $9.99 to $7.99 (20% off) � DCS: MiG-21bis: $49.99 to $39.99 (20% off) hmmm , mixed messages from [edited] Wags, who would have thought ? This is the second time in two days I've had edit one of your posts...don't make personal attacks. Last edited by Force10; 09/26/15 04:25 PM. Reason: insult Ferengi Rule of acquisition #1 Once you have their money ... never give it back.

#4173653 - 09/26/15 02:31 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,477 HomeFries Air Dominance Project
HomeFries Air Dominance Project Member Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,477	Nope, just the big sales (i.e. 70% off). Thing is that those of us spoiled by the fire sales of the past few years would balk at the steam sales. 40% off? Pffft! -Home Fries "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." - Robert A. Heinlein The average naval aviator, despite the sometimes swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy, and caring. These feelings just don't involve anyone else.

#4173658 - 09/26/15 02:56 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
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Tom_Weiss Veteran Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 14,410 3rd Planet, Sun	some people prefer to wait and buy a fully patched and working product at more affordable price - while others insist in paying full price for bug-ridden not quite finished products, it is a matter of taste obviously, but with a developer like the developer of DCSW, between the two possibilities, it is an easy choice to make. visit http://www.lockonfiles.com/ my facebook & Twitter pages https://www.facebook.com/lockon.files https://twitter.com/LockOnFiles

#4173663 - 09/26/15 03:21 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]
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Remon Member Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,342 Greece	Originally Posted By: leaf_on_the_wind Sales a thing of the past ? hmmm , mixed messages from Ze F�hrer Wags, who would have thought ? He said that the sales will be rarer after the Steam sale announcement. I wouldn't think that was too hard to imagine. Also, he said cheap sales. The older sales went as low as 70%. Last edited by Remon; 09/26/15 03:27 PM.

#4173666 - 09/26/15 03:36 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 797 leaf_on_the_wind Member
leaf_on_the_wind Member Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 797	Better to sell some half finished products at 70% off than no half finished products at full price? Time will tell Ferengi Rule of acquisition #1 Once you have their money ... never give it back.

#4173686 - 09/26/15 04:57 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
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scrim Member Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,180	Why are they going to stop with 70% sales? The quality of ED and BST's modules certainly hasn't improved over the years...

#4173687 - 09/26/15 05:01 PM Re: RAZBAM M2000C DCS almost there, in fact, it will be available for pre order, pretty soon! [Re: Prowler1111]
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cichlidfan Member Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,042 Woodbridge, VA, USA	Well, if I didn't buy it at 70% off, I certainly won't be buying it at 40% off. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1

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