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#4154929 - 08/07/15 05:38 PM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: HeinKill]  
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Originally Posted By: HeinKill
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Team Fusions strategy is just fine, any members that COD might lose to BOS, and DCS will quickly come back if update 5.0 is worth its salt. All else being equal, A Med map will attract more interest than a small DCS Normandy map, or BOS Stalingrad/Moscow map.

That said, DCS is setting itself up to be the eventual winner, "IF" the first versions of Virtual Reality headsets/systems can run complex combat flight sims effectively. VR will eventually be the way most people will use combat flight sims, all the rest will just have very small communities of diehard fans and modders.


IS the DCS WWII project really still alive? Didn't they recently announce major delays to stuff that was already long overdue, including their WWII map, objects and the aircraft still in the pipeline? Haven't even released the Nevada map yet they've been talking about for years have they? Sorry, I haven't been keeping up, because it looked to me like the whole DCS WWII thing is a non starter. They took over the assets in development from Ilya S, finished and released what was easy (109G/FW190), and have parked the rest. I see no reason to believe it will ever see the light of day.

Agree VR offers the chance to revolutionise and reinvigorate sims of all kinds, land, sea and air.

H


There are a number of DCS WW2 aircraft making decent progress, but I have no idea how much work is currently dedicated to the Normandy Map. I think they are still up to their ass in alligators trying to complete the Nevada map. The best news I could find is that they were talking about adding a small portion of the English south coast in the Normandy map. Without some portion of the English coast the Normandy map would be almost useless as far as I'm concerned.

One factor in DCS's favor is not all, but "most" people prefer later model world war two aircraft.

I'm personally looking forward to what DCS, and COD's Team Fusion have to offer. So far BOS has left me cold, maybe its just the winter map. wink

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#4155037 - 08/07/15 11:02 PM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: HeinKill]  
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...but I have no idea how much work is currently dedicated to the Normandy Map.


With the myriad of unmatched planes WIP (WWII and other era), instead Nevada, Ormutz or Normandy maps if they do a
Bermuda Triangle map fit better... wink

#4155086 - 08/08/15 03:48 AM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: Sokol1]  
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Originally Posted By: Sokol1
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...but I have no idea how much work is currently dedicated to the Normandy Map.


With the myriad of unmatched planes WIP (WWII and other era), instead Nevada, Ormutz or Normandy maps if they do a
Bermuda Triangle map fit better... wink


I agree some of the current DCS WW2 plane set, and map choice are at historical odds. I personally like to fly more historical than otherwise, but there is still a large portion of the sim community who just like to fly their favorite aircraft, with little interest in the local terrain or their opponents choice of aircraft.

The good thing is BOS, COD, and DCS were all designed to be WIP sims over many years. If we are lucky the aircraft, and content of each sim will continue to evolve with some aspects we all can enjoy. Unfortunately there are a few haters dominating the forums with chants of COD/BOS/DCS suck, and will always suck, because they can't seem to grasp the complexity, and difficult choices that have to be made developing a complex sim with not enough money, and not enough people.

edit....I meant DCS not BOS WW2 plane set, and map.

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#4155108 - 08/08/15 06:27 AM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: HeinKill]  
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Beaufighter will be there and flyable, cockpit work is already looking amazing smile

And all that happened while the schedule was being followed that we let the community in on.

The Mod is progressing and will be out when it's done.

Time will tell if we made the right decision, but we stand by everyone in the team and the work they are doing. Everyone is a member of the flight sim community and see we are doing this for us as much as a one else.

Cheers, MP


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#4155176 - 08/08/15 03:02 PM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: ATAG_Bliss]  
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Originally Posted By: ATAG_Bliss
Originally Posted By: PV1
Disassembling and parsing someone else's undocumented
code is a challenge, especially when there's a lot
of it, and editing the subsequent result is also
a bit of work; however, if by "only a few people"
you mean only a few tens of thousands, I don't
think I would argue with you. Doing it for fun
might cut the number down slightly; having the time
to do it for fun would be a bigger cut. But, it's
not conceptually difficult, just an immense amount
of bookkeeeping. You don't have to be a Ramanujan
to do it. You just have to have a good memory, plus
the motivation, persistence, lots of patience, huge
amounts of free time, and some fluency with the tools
which make it tractable.


It's amazing how many people posting here keep misreading what I have said. When I mean a few people on the planet I mean just that. This isn't undocumented code.

When you disassemble an executable, what you get is undocumented code.
Have you ever done it? Do you know what a disassembler is?
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-This is millions of 0's and 1's of obfuscated machine code.
The only time you get binary hash is when you are working
with an encrypted file (such as for a data file - you can't
have an encrypted exe, the machine could never run it) and you
don't have the key. It's pretty much useless at that point, but
if that were the case, nothing could be done with it. However,
there are only so many ways to do encryption, and the fact that
anything at all has been done with CloD means that either it isn't
encrypted, or the encryption was broken, so then we're back to
undocumented code (and the decryption would have been found in
the code, anyway, otherwise the exe couldn't use the data files,
either).

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If you or anyone else you think can decipher that, let alone know the aeronautical engineering, calculus, and enough about code/programming to, on top of all that, actually fix said code / find the problems that a paid dev team could not, then by all means show an example.

The limitation is available time and motivation.
I'm sufficiently busy, thank you.

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It's real easy to make a forum post and say something is easy

Now who's got comprehension problems. Where
exactly did I say it was easy? What I said was
it's not conceptually difficult. That means
the obstacle is not some rarefied intellectual
capacity limiting it to a masterful few (do you
even begin to grasp what a truly few people on
this planet are capable of, remember we now have
a pool of over 7 billion to draw on) but rather
simply a matter of work and learned skills, and
a sufficient, but not stratospherically imposing
intellect.

The only point I was making is there's a big
distinction between "few people on the planet
that could" and "few people on the planet with
the time and motivation to"; the number that could
is not so small. I hang out with those sorts
of people every day, and there really are quite
a lot of them, and they each of them can do
quite amazing things effortlessly.

I have no doubt that the folk working on the code
are good, competent people; their results speak
for themselves. But I rather expect they would
be rather embarrassed to be described as you write.
I know I would.


#4155189 - 08/08/15 03:50 PM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: PV1]  
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Originally Posted By: PV1
I don't have the skills to do that, but I can post a whole bunch of paragraphs on the forum saying that 10's of thousands of people can!!


LMAO!! I knew full well to expect this type of post. A whole bunch of excuses and no results. I believe I said "hell will freeze over before you can show 5 lines of code", even when offered a large sum of money to put your money where your mouth is.

Thanks for proving my point in it's entirety!

And just for you sweetheart smile




#4155193 - 08/08/15 03:57 PM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: HeinKill]  
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Try to keep it respectful Bliss

It seems PVI is doing some schooling

#4155195 - 08/08/15 04:00 PM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted By: bisher
Try to keep it respectful Bliss

It seems PVI is doing some schooling


Keep it respectful? A guy chimes in a thread and claims 10's of thousands of people can do something. I call his bluff, even offering a ton of money to show, as he claims, is one of those people.

He comes back with multiple paragraphs of excuses.

Oh I'm keeping it very respectful. I love calling out people who talk a big game and can't back it up. And last time I checked, you might want to look in the mirror.

#4155208 - 08/08/15 04:33 PM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: HeinKill]  
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Yes - Lets get back to telling the people who are actually working on the game how to do their jobs!

You can only imagine how much encouragement this has really helped in wanting TF to keep on going!

Great thread!

#4155256 - 08/08/15 07:14 PM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: HeinKill]  
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It seems there are personal issues driving some of the discussion.
It would be a shame if a few caused TF to walk away.

Team Fusion, if you have not actually stopped paying attention to this thread, please continue at your pace and disregard the petulant children here, OK?

#4155269 - 08/08/15 07:56 PM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: HeinKill]  
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Hmmm. Yes. I withdraw.

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#4155278 - 08/08/15 08:37 PM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: HeinKill]  
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Wow, you folks were able to do all that with crack me? I'm impressed.

#4155279 - 08/08/15 08:39 PM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: ATAG_Bliss]  
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Originally Posted By: ATAG_Bliss
Originally Posted By: PV1
I don't have the skills to do that, but I can post a whole bunch of paragraphs on the forum saying that 10's of thousands of people can!!


LMAO!! I knew full well to expect this type of post. A whole bunch of excuses and no results. I believe I said "hell will freeze over before you can show 5 lines of code", even when offered a large sum of money to put your money where your mouth is.

Thanks for proving my point in it's entirety!

And just for you sweetheart smile




With full respect, ATAG Bliss, do you think we will bite a dust if you show us a part of code in OllyDbg window? For us, coders, it is nothing new at all. Also, it is plain visible, this part of code is evidently not encrypted, so why so big waves? However, we are talking about reverse engineering now... BTW, is not that against EULA nad law?
BTW, your question about art of code regarding "exhaust gas temperature" sounds as challenge reading ?!?

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#4155371 - 08/09/15 03:58 AM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: ATAG_Bliss]  
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Originally Posted By: ATAG_Bliss
You can only imagine how much encouragement this has really helped in wanting TF to keep on going!

Great thread!



Indeed and those of us posting here are the biggest fans of this game and the effort of TF

My post about CLOD and TF are 99.9% positive and supportive.

I'm very much surprised to hear how much of a negative effect this thread could have on TF, they seemed so invincible

#4155373 - 08/09/15 04:06 AM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: ATAG_Bliss]  
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Originally Posted By: ATAG_Bliss
Do you really think anything HK said hasn't been discussed internally ad nauseam?


This is insightful. Um, no idea at all Bliss. Why would I? So instead of throwing out a rhetorical question, why not just say 'Guys, ya we too struggled with this but in the end this was our decision. A tough decision.' I would have walked away from this thread, satisfied.

Why the angst that we too, the community, would want to talk about it ad nauseam as well? Well maybe not ad nauseam, one thread


#4155379 - 08/09/15 04:25 AM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted By: bisher
Originally Posted By: ATAG_Bliss
Do you really think anything HK said hasn't been discussed internally ad nauseam?


This is insightful. Um, no idea at all Bliss. Why would I? So instead of throwing out a rhetorical question, why not just say 'Guys, ya we too struggled with this but in the end this was our decision. A tough decision.' I would have walked away from this thread, satisfied.

Why the angst that we too, the community, would want to talk about it ad nauseam as well? Well maybe not ad nauseam, one thread



You had no idea that a release date would be talked about by people that are doing the work to release something? Well, I'm glad you know now I guess lol.

#4155380 - 08/09/15 04:28 AM Re: An open letter to Team Fusion [Re: Sunchaser]  
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Originally Posted By: Sunchaser
It seems there are personal issues driving some of the discussion.
It would be a shame if a few caused TF to walk away.

Team Fusion, if you have not actually stopped paying attention to this thread, please continue at your pace and disregard the petulant children here, OK?


This is empowering for me sunchaser, I make so many positive posts about this game I would have to assume overall I would have a very much encouraging influence on TF

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Originally Posted By: bisher


I'm very much surprised to hear how much of a negative effect this thread could have on TF, they seemed so invincible


Seems this guy gets it: http://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4153594/Re:_An_open_letter_to_Team_Fus#Post4153594

When you understand why he said that, maybe you'll get it too.

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Originally Posted By: ATAG_Bliss
Originally Posted By: bisher
Originally Posted By: ATAG_Bliss
Do you really think anything HK said hasn't been discussed internally ad nauseam?


This is insightful. Um, no idea at all Bliss. Why would I? So instead of throwing out a rhetorical question, why not just say 'Guys, ya we too struggled with this but in the end this was our decision. A tough decision.' I would have walked away from this thread, satisfied.

Why the angst that we too, the community, would want to talk about it ad nauseam as well? Well maybe not ad nauseam, one thread



You had no idea that a release date would be talked about by people that are doing the work to release something? Well, I'm glad you know now I guess lol.


Hmm, hmmm Bliss. So now it's okay to post an open letter to TF regarding the patch? I mean if we're just discussing a patch release date. Seems harmless



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Originally Posted By: ATAG_Bliss
Originally Posted By: bisher


I'm very much surprised to hear how much of a negative effect this thread could have on TF, they seemed so invincible


Seems this guy gets it: http://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4153594/Re:_An_open_letter_to_Team_Fus#Post4153594

When you understand why he said that, maybe you'll get it too.


Yes Bliss

I need to step away from this thread as I'm feeling like a bit of a hater, when I'm actually a staunch supporter of this simulation(and Team Fusion). How the hell did that happen


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