#4154210 - 08/05/15 05:19 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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Gents, the reasons have been explained, the approximate date announced, we are working on it, it will happen and what will be, will be. Cheers, MP
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#4154243 - 08/05/15 06:50 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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Gents, the reasons have been explained, the approximate date announced, we are working on it, it will happen and what will be, will be. Cheers, MP Sincerely, I did not expect anything more. However, life is short, is ongoing, so take what is, where is, as is:-).
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#4154660 - 08/06/15 09:50 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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Interesting, so while I thought the team was saying they are choosing not to release stuff, the actuality is that there is nothing ready or able to be released? That is completely different. In that case it makes sense.
I've already explained the reasons, none of which said anything about nothing being ready to be released. Re-read it a couple times. I went in depth. Actually, yes I do. Intimately well thanks. Been there, done it over several years, got the t-shirt. Hence the (I hope) very respectful tone in my posts.
H No, I'd say you don't. Because as I explained earlier, there is only a few people on the planet that could do what is being done in TF. If you think you are one of them, or you think you worked with some that could, by all means, lets see you/them try. Simply modding another game has absolutely no reference at all to the way TF has to work to get things done. That is why there are 1000's of user made mods that effect core gameplay for IL2 and thousands of other titles out there. But there is only 1 mod that does that for IL2COD. It's not even comparable on any level at all.
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#4154680 - 08/06/15 11:03 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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Team Fusions strategy is just fine, any members that COD might lose to BOS, and DCS will quickly come back if update 5.0 is worth its salt. All else being equal, A Med map will attract more interest than a small DCS Normandy map, or BOS Stalingrad/Moscow map.
That said, DCS is setting itself up to be the eventual winner, "IF" the first versions of Virtual Reality headsets/systems can run complex combat flight sims effectively. VR will eventually be the way most people will use combat flight sims, all the rest will just have very small communities of diehard fans and modders.
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#4154722 - 08/07/15 03:21 AM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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Did they ever fix the AI in CoD? Last time I tried the team fusion mod the AI was pretty bad. Still not the best, for single players.
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#4154772 - 08/07/15 10:17 AM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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Interesting, so while I thought the team was saying they are choosing not to release stuff, the actuality is that there is nothing ready or able to be released? That is completely different. In that case it makes sense.
I've already explained the reasons, none of which said anything about nothing being ready to be released. Re-read it a couple times. I went in depth. Actually, yes I do. Intimately well thanks. Been there, done it over several years, got the t-shirt. Hence the (I hope) very respectful tone in my posts.
H No, I'd say you don't. Because as I explained earlier, there is only a few people on the planet that could do what is being done in TF. If you think you are one of them, or you think you worked with some that could, by all means, lets see you/them try. Simply modding another game has absolutely no reference at all to the way TF has to work to get things done. That is why there are 1000's of user made mods that effect core gameplay for IL2 and thousands of other titles out there. But there is only 1 mod that does that for IL2COD. It's not even comparable on any level at all. Disassembling and parsing someone else's undocumented code is a challenge, especially when there's a lot of it, and editing the subsequent result is also a bit of work; however, if by "only a few people" you mean only a few tens of thousands, I don't think I would argue with you. Doing it for fun might cut the number down slightly; having the time to do it for fun would be a bigger cut. But, it's not conceptually difficult, just an immense amount of bookkeeeping. You don't have to be a Ramanujan to do it. You just have to have a good memory, plus the motivation, persistence, lots of patience, huge amounts of free time, and some fluency with the tools which make it tractable.
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#4154805 - 08/07/15 12:41 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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Disassembling and parsing someone else's undocumented code is a challenge, especially when there's a lot of it, and editing the subsequent result is also a bit of work; however, if by "only a few people" you mean only a few tens of thousands, I don't think I would argue with you. Doing it for fun might cut the number down slightly; having the time to do it for fun would be a bigger cut. But, it's not conceptually difficult, just an immense amount of bookkeeeping. You don't have to be a Ramanujan to do it. You just have to have a good memory, plus the motivation, persistence, lots of patience, huge amounts of free time, and some fluency with the tools which make it tractable.
Nice entry PV1
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#4154873 - 08/07/15 02:50 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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Disassembling and parsing someone else's undocumented code is a challenge, especially when there's a lot of it, and editing the subsequent result is also a bit of work; however, if by "only a few people" you mean only a few tens of thousands, I don't think I would argue with you. Doing it for fun might cut the number down slightly; having the time to do it for fun would be a bigger cut. But, it's not conceptually difficult, just an immense amount of bookkeeeping. You don't have to be a Ramanujan to do it. You just have to have a good memory, plus the motivation, persistence, lots of patience, huge amounts of free time, and some fluency with the tools which make it tractable. It's amazing how many people posting here keep misreading what I have said. When I mean a few people on the planet I mean just that. This isn't undocumented code. This is millions of 0's and 1's of obfuscated machine code. If you or anyone else you think can decipher that, let alone know the aeronautical engineering, calculus, and enough about code/programming to, on top of all that, actually fix said code / find the problems that a paid dev team could not, then by all means show an example. It's real easy to make a forum post and say something is easy to do without a single shred of evidence to support your claim. Let me see you decipher (not fix) 5 lines of obfuscated machine code in IL2COD that deals in exhaust pressure. According to you and your vast programming knowledge, it's easy. Well by all means, put your money where your mouth is. I'll be waiting. Just 5 lines. And to sweeten the deal, I'll give you a grand if you can do it. Just so you have no excuses about your time and money. I'm going to go out on a limb and say hell will freeze over before you can come up with what I ask for.
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#4154876 - 08/07/15 02:55 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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Well said, Sir.
So we end up with 'not that we can't release new content yet, but we won't release it'.
And when it is eventually released, I sincerely hope there is still someone around still flying CoD to enjoy it.
Sigh.
Sigh is right. I've explained it already in a very long post. I wish you would read it just one time so it sinks in. It's released in a certain way because (please read this part) IT HAS TO BE. I put it in CAPS this time just for you. But by all means, if you are wanting it sooner, please create your own patch and get it out there. I'm sure with the type of knowledge you have, even having the T-shirt, you should be able to do it all in very short order. Why wait for TF?
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#4154887 - 08/07/15 03:18 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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From this conversation Bliss you've concluded that only one person appreciates what TF has done? Really? We are a delicate lot, I'm a fringe flight simmer, was once an avid flight simmer. All this poppycock around developers delicate feelings might just be enough for me to fly my last flight into the sunset. And I'm okay with that
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#4154893 - 08/07/15 03:42 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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From this conversation Bliss you've concluded that only one person appreciates what TF has done? Really? We are a delicate lot, I'm a fringe flight simmer, was once an avid flight simmer. All this poppycock around developers delicate feelings might just be enough for me to fly my last flight into the sunset. And I'm okay with that Look at your responses to this thread and tell me what I'm supposed to think? I don't see any delicate feelings. I come with reality. There are plenty of people who have done great things for the betterment of others. If you want to leave because there are other people out there that call people out on their BS and misconceptions, by all means, go right ahead. But don't be surprised when those same people that are actually doing free work for the betterment of everyone else decide to do the same thing when all they see is people thinking they know better than the group of people who are actually doing the work. Do you honestly think that TF didn't discuss how updates, releases, and their time frame need to be released? Do you really think anything HK said hasn't been discussed internally ad nauseam? And do you think this discussion has helped TF in anyway? If you feel like beating your chest, at least try to be productive about it. It's easy to post .gifs, meme's, and be generally unpleasant towards others. Trust me, the main programmer saw this thread and threw his hands up in the air, asking why he should even bother. If that's what you want, by all means, keep questioning everything and be thankful when that reality comes to fruition.
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#4154897 - 08/07/15 03:54 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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Oh there will be people playing 5.0 when it's up for sure. Folks like me, for example. I fly warbirds in DCS, WWII content is coming along nicely, but the pace is damn slow, I don't expect Normandy map before 2017. I never tried BoS and don't plan to, because I have sub-zero interest in Eastern Front. I don't even fly CloD all that often, 'cause my interest in early Hurris, Spits and 109s is marginal at best.
But I'd give my left nut to have a flyable Beaufighter on any "modern" platform, same for any Allison-powered Warhawk.
So whenever 5.0 comes, 2016 or 2017, doesn't matter, I'll be there to get it immediately and make a donation, if possible.
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#4154912 - 08/07/15 04:42 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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Fully respect your right to your opinions Bliss.
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Sorry, I haven't said any opinions here. It's all fact and easily substantiated.
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#4154925 - 08/07/15 05:31 PM
Re: An open letter to Team Fusion
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In that case I respect your right to believe so!
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And I respect your right to believe whatever you want. It still doesn't make what you believe being anywhere near reality. I've said nothing but facts. If you believe something completely different having absolutely no knowledge of the inner workings of the team, so be it. It's obvious you're not going to change your mind even when irrefutable evidence by many people who do have inner working knowledge of the team has already been posted here.
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