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#4149461 - 07/22/15 03:07 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: komemiute]  
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Originally Posted By: komemiute
So wait, only if I install Windows 10 now it's free? I kind of (not really following) understood it was going to be free forever as long as you have an original WIn 7 license...


If you upgrade from Windows 7 or 8 you'll get it for free. However you need to take up the offer within a year. I also believe you could upgrade to the current insider build, through your current installation, then that'll also be fully activated. Then it will update itself to the full Windows 10 RTM build come July 29th.

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#4149576 - 07/22/15 09:36 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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MS has been notably silent about what happens to your Win7/8 license if you take the free upgrade offer. Given that it's in MS's interest to eliminate legacy Windows versions as quickly as possible I wouldn't be surprised that once that you acquired your Windows 10, it permanently invalidates your Win 7 license so you can no longer downgrade later, even if you wanted to.

For most people this won't be a problem, so it's not really in the focus of interest of most pieces about Win 10. Just keep in mind that, as usual, "free" isn't actually free. There's always a price to pay. Personally, I prefer to have it clearly visible in the open rather than a hidden agenda.

#4149581 - 07/22/15 10:10 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ssnake]  
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Originally Posted By: Ssnake
MS has been notably silent about what happens to your Win7/8 license if you take the free upgrade offer. Given that it's in MS's interest to eliminate legacy Windows versions as quickly as possible I wouldn't be surprised that once that you acquired your Windows 10, it permanently invalidates your Win 7 license so you can no longer downgrade later, even if you wanted to.



Until that is made absolutely clear I'm not touching 10.


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#4149582 - 07/22/15 10:15 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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I have enough tin foil to makes hats for everyone!

#4149583 - 07/22/15 10:19 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: brownba]  
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Originally Posted By: brownba
I have enough tin foil to makes hats for everyone!


And my cat?



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#4149589 - 07/22/15 10:38 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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Okay, so Win10 is free if I upgrade within the first year....

I'm a bit torn here. I could "sacrifice" one of my laptop's key to use that to upgrade to Win10, install Win10 on my gaming PC, see how it works out, and if I don't like it, I'll re-install Win7 on my gaming PC and move Win10 back to the laptop. Would this work?

Or I could just wait 6 months or so and install then.


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#4149590 - 07/22/15 10:42 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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That's what I've been thinking about doing Ice.Throw in a spare drive,install 7 using one of my spare keys,upgrade to 10,and see how it goes.


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#4149594 - 07/22/15 11:08 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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All you, STAPH!...staph with conspiracy theories...

After you install Windows 10 you are given the option to return to you old OS as long as you do not delete the old OS files (which are backed up to a different folder).

You should not lose your old license, since otherwise, how would you return to the old install?

Unless you installed the insider preview (which will upgrade to final), there is no clean install path, you need to upgrade to get it for free. AFTER you upgrade, then you can do a clean install if you wish, ON THE SAME PC for free.

Oh...and Installs are tied up not only to the license of your old OS, but also to the hardware, so if you want to "move" your install from once PC to another, you have to call MS and it will transfer the license.

#4149598 - 07/22/15 11:28 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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Well you'll have to forgive this cynical old git,but when M$ are giving away their latest greatest O/S for free I'm looking to see what's the catch.


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#4149601 - 07/22/15 11:43 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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I am with Chucky on this actually. Windows for free does sound to good to be true. My plan is to use my 8.1 key to get the free upgrade because I never liked it much anyway. I'll always have Windows 7 if something comes up that I don't like!

#4149743 - 07/23/15 01:18 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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I shall wait for "service pack 1" as I do with every version of Windows. It usually cleans up the major Fu@# ups from the initial version smile


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#4149754 - 07/23/15 01:41 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted By: Chucky
Well you'll have to forgive this cynical old git,but when M$ are giving away their latest greatest O/S for free I'm looking to see what's the catch.


The catch is they want everyone on the latest one because they're tired of making security patches and updates for 5 different OSs because people don't want to pay to move up. With the introduction of Win 10 they still have people using 8, 7, Vista, and XP in large numbers. They finally dumped XP, but there are still some Vista and a ton of 7 users out there.

The sooner people standardize, the sooner they save money supporting the old crap.



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#4149758 - 07/23/15 01:46 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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The fundamental problem is that it's been getting more and more difficult for MS to find compelling reasons for individuals and especially businesses to upgrade their OS. MS THOUGHT that the compelling reason with Windows 8 was going to be making end users feel like they're using a smartphone or tablet on their PC desktop.

We all know how flawed that approach turned out to be.


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#4149759 - 07/23/15 01:47 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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#4149772 - 07/23/15 02:09 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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If you saw the market report for Microsoft earnings in Q4, they lost a lot of money with their Nokia acquisition (they wrote off 8.7 billion loss on that) and also lost a bit more on their operating system/ Office software sales. The last one of course, due to people expecting the release of the new "free" stuff.

But now they are betting the farm in cloud services, the Xbox as an entertainment platform (now that it will connect and inter-operate with the Win10 devices). It even seems they are enthusiastic about Bing (with Cortana assistant in Win10, a significant number of users will be using Bing) and Surface tablets (now all updated to Win10) profits.

So you see, this is a strategy to get as much possible people into an OS that is heavily dependent on those cloud services (Office 360 (cloud) and Office 2016 are the only supported, for example), so that we grow dependent on those cloud services that grew 88% on the last year for them.

By giving Win10 away for free, they also nullify those that would use that as a selling point for Linux. And by getting users to use their integrated email app (and the Windows account sign in) , they go into the same data mining business Google thrives at.

They are not out to take anything away from you, if anything, they will make you addicted and then keep selling you the drug once you get hooked on it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspecula...revenue-growth/

#4149773 - 07/23/15 02:14 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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Excellent post Bib. This is all about a long established publicly traded company reinventing itself right before our eyes.


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#4149782 - 07/23/15 02:51 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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From what I have read so far:

- After updating to Win 10, you have a 30 day "trial period" during which you can revert back to Win 7/8. After these 30 days, you are "stuck" with a Windows 10 license (= the key will no longer be valid for Win 7/ 8 installations).
- At least in Germany, the "free" upgraded version is not linked to your hardware, according to the EULA. Which means you can switch out any components (including mainboard) at your leisure without having to purchase a new license.


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#4149783 - 07/23/15 02:52 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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Cloud services? Integrated e-mail apps? None of that interests me in the slightest.I WILL resist change biggrin


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#4149786 - 07/23/15 02:58 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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Wait a minute.... Bib... you said that Win10 only supports Office 360?

I have a very old copy of Office 2007 which I never really "upgraded" because I didn't see the need to. Does that mean that while I get a "free OS," I'll still need to fork out cash for a productivity suite?


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#4149796 - 07/23/15 03:26 PM Re: Windows 10 [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted By: - Ice
Wait a minute.... Bib... you said that Win10 only supports Office 360?

I have a very old copy of Office 2007 which I never really "upgraded" because I didn't see the need to. Does that mean that while I get a "free OS," I'll still need to fork out cash for a productivity suite?


I have an Office 2010 license. I got a message saying that some features may not work and that installing was not recommended.

You can use MS Office free apps if you don't need the full function of MS Office_

https://blogs.office.com/2015/02/04/next-chapter-office-windows/

I also lost my PowerDVD install, which is not compatible...and of course, Windows10 does not support DVD or Blu Ray natively playing (and no MediaCenter), so I am using a free app for that.

Also, and until my motherboard manufacturer releases updates, some of the bundled apps that came with my new motherboard are not compatible.

I did not hear any promise that Windows 7 apps would be fully compatible with Windows 10. They did say that if the apps ran in Windows 8.1 (which I never upgraded to), they should run in Windows 10. I have similar experiences regarding having to upgrade/ re-buy apps with every major Windows upgrade, so it was expected.

But my case is different, because I slipped by the last minute into the MS Insider program, and I was able to do a clean install and still keep my Windows 7 license, so if it turns out I lose too much functionality, I can go back easily.

Lots of answers here:

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If I use a retail license of Windows 7 or 8.1, which can be transferred from one machine to another, to upgrade to Windows 10 for free can I then transfer that underlying Windows 7/8.1 license to another machine and upgrade it to Windows 10 as well since Windows 7/8.1 is no longer in use on the other machine? (23 June 2015)

NO

Is it true that the free upgrade to Windows 10 retains the properties of the license that was on the upgraded Windows 7 or 8.1 system? In other words if I am on an OEM system from a manufacturer such as Dell, HP, ASUS, Acer, etc. then the system that was upgraded with the free Windows 10 upgrade is still licensed as an OEM system? What if I bought a retail license that was purchased online or in a store - does the system upgraded to the free Windows 10 upgrade remain licensed as a retail license? (23 June 2015)

YES

If I purchased my copy of Windows 7 or 8/8.1 as a retail license from a store (brick and mortar or online/digital) and I upgrade to the free Windows 10 can I transfer that to a new computer under the retail licensing? (23 June 2015)

YES

If I built my own computer and purchased an OEM licenses for that hardware from a store (either brick and mortar or online) then does that OEM license transfer to the Windows 10 upgrade after 29 July? (23 June 2015)

YES

Can I transfer that OEM based Windows 10 upgrade to another computer? (23 June 2015)

NO

Does the Windows 10 free upgrade offer only last 12 months from 29 July 2015 to 29 July 2016? (22 June 2015)

YES

If I am still running Windows 95, Milenium (Me), XP or Vista on my computer can I get a free upgrade to Windows 10? (22 June 2015)

NO

I have a system running Windows 7 with Service Pack 1 am I eligible for the free Windows 10 upgrade? (22 June 2015)

YES

I have a system running Windows 8 with the Windows 8.1 Update installed can I get a free upgrade to Windows 10? (22 June 2015)

YES

I am a Windows 10 Insider can I upgrade to Windows 10 RTM for free on 29 July from the preview builds and stop participating in the Windows Insider Program? (22 June 2015)

NO

Will that copy of Windows 10 RTM that upgraded my preview build be a genuine copy of Windows 10? (22 June 2015)

NO

Is it true that if I want to continue as a Windows Insider I can install a current build of Windows 10 preview, such as 10130, and use my Microsoft Account with it and then get upgraded to Windows 10 RTM on 29 July? (22 June 2015)

YES

Will I continue to get new builds of Windows 10 after 29 July if I choose to remain in the Insider program? (22 June 2015)

YES

Will those builds ever expire? (22 June 2015)

YES

If I upgrade to the final version of Windows 10 anytime during the first year from a system with a genuine version of Windows 7 (with Service Pack 1) or Windows 8 (with Windows 8.1 Update) installed can I reinstall Windows 10? (22 June 2015)

YES

Can I do a clean install of Windows 10 in the previous situation as well? (22 June 2015)

YES

If I am currently running a non-genuine version of Windows 7 (with Service Pack 1) or Windows 8 (with Windows 8.1 update) can I upgrade to Windows 10? (22 June 2015)

NO

If I have a computer that I just built and I do not own any version of Windows for it can I join the Windows Insider Program and install Windows 10 RTM on it before or after 29 July 2015? (22 June 2015)

YES

Will that version of Windows then be considered genuine? (22 June 2015)

NO

Can I transfer my Windows 10 installation to another computer after getting the free upgrade? (22 June 2015)

NO

If I opt out of the Windows Insider program before 29 July 2016 can I still use the free Windows upgrade if my device had a genuine copy of Windows 7 (with Service Pack 1) or Windows 8 (with Windows 8.1 Update) before I used it for the Insider program? (22 June 2015)

YES

If I opt out of the Windows Insider program after 30 July 2016 do I need to buy a new Windows 10 license if my device had a genuine copy of Windows 7 (with Service Pack 1) or Windows 8 (with Windows 8.1 Update) before I used it for the Insider program? (22 June 2015)

YES

Do I need to use a Microsoft Account to upgrade my Windows 7 (with Service Pack 1) or Windows 8 (with windows 8.1 Update) system to Windows 10? (22 June 2015)

NO

My name is Blackbeard, some call me Salty Sam. Can I get a free upgrade to Windows 10? (22 June 2015)

NO

Can Microsoft ever make its messaging completely clear? (22 June 2015)

NO

Have any ideas of your own to add to this list? Comment below with it and we might add it to the article with appropriate credit.


http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/windows-10-upgrade-and-installation-frequently-asked-questions


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