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#4135436 - 06/17/15 03:31 PM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: Wolfstriked]  
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#4135444 - 06/17/15 03:36 PM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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I have noticed claiming and getting a confirmation has become ALOT more difficult..it was pretty much guaranteed confirmation before the last patch or so.

I like it in some respects but getting four or five claims rejected one after the other can get abit frustrating.

Does the game take into account front lines and the chance of confirmation from soldier sin the front line as that was a major way for confirmations in the War as pilots where usually to busy themselves.

#4135446 - 06/17/15 03:38 PM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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#4135452 - 06/17/15 03:42 PM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: Wodin]  
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Originally Posted By: Wodin
I have noticed claiming and getting a confirmation has become ALOT more difficult..it was pretty much guaranteed confirmation before the last patch or so.

I like it in some respects but getting four or five claims rejected one after the other can get abit frustrating.

Does the game take into account front lines and the chance of confirmation from soldier sin the front line as that was a major way for confirmations in the War as pilots where usually to busy themselves.


Well sorry but the claims system has not changed for over a year or more.
Maybe refresh your knowledge on the best way to make claims - I recall there was a thread some time back on what sort of info to include.

If something is changed in a release its stated in the release notes.

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#4135755 - 06/18/15 12:17 AM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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That's odd then. As I don't do anything different and now I get alot of rejected where as before I never got any.

#4135774 - 06/18/15 12:57 AM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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It's probably how you're holding your mouth as you fill in the claim form. I stick my tongue out towards the left slightly as I type in the info - makes all the difference.

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#4135887 - 06/18/15 09:28 AM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thanks for the tip..will try that next time biggrin


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It's probably how you're holding your mouth as you fill in the claim form. I stick my tongue out towards the left slightly as I type in the info - makes all the difference.

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#4136292 - 06/18/15 11:46 PM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Another thing you can do in WOFF to work around such things as the balloon claims and/or victories on your own side of the mud, and I stress this is only a work-around. If it happens that you put in claims at the end of a mission and you are not denied them immediately due to a time advance, you can exit the sim and go in and edit your pilot's claim file. If you change the number towards the end of the text line for a pending claim from whatever it is, let's say 68, to anywhere between 90 and 100, you will be awarded the claim. Again, this will only work if the claim is pending, once it's been denied you are done. And again, I offer this only as a work-around as some may look at this as gaming the system while others will say it adjusts an unrealistic aspect of the claims system.

Use it as you will, we are all adults here and have to live with ourselves at the end of the day. smile2

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I have done this in the past for what I think should be "sure fire" confirmations thought I prefer to call it "massaging" the claims process.
But you have reminded me of something I have kicked around for about a year and that is to make the process in determining how much % to add more "formal" and less subjective to my momentary whim.

What I mean is a set table of %'s added to the existing claim % (usually in the 30's) depending on the situation at the moment of the kill. And these would be cumulative. For example:
1) Over friendly territory +30%
2) Other friendly aircraft in area +15%
3) Friendly AA in action +20%
4) Bad Weather -30%
5) Non-flamer kill 0%
6) Plane explodes +10%
7) Flamer +20%
8) Friendly ground unit in sight +10%
9) Friendly balloon in sight +15%

And so on. Anyone care to think of more +/- % situations? Or disagree with my numbers above?

#4136322 - 06/19/15 02:26 AM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Duke, It's my belief that the system is actually using a table similar to what you came up with. I'm sure it has different percentages, but I think the logic is the same.


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#4136335 - 06/19/15 04:07 AM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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You really think so? Hmmm...I wonder after years of checking things out.
If so, and I am very doubtful, I would be very curious to see the numbers.

#4136356 - 06/19/15 07:01 AM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: Banjoman]  
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Originally Posted By: Banjoman
Duke, It's my belief that the system is actually using a table similar to what you came up with. I'm sure it has different percentages, but I think the logic is the same.


I would not have thought so till last week. I had a claim confirmed with no witnesses....it was a flamer. Maybe just luck but with the level of detail in this game, it would not surprise me at all.

#4136365 - 06/19/15 07:27 AM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Ah well.
It's all a moot point I suppose since a separation of claims from promotions is coming.
I'll just use the above numbers till the next patch.

#4136370 - 06/19/15 07:39 AM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Yeah, I'm really looking forward to that additional (separated) option. Thanks OBD!

#4136372 - 06/19/15 07:47 AM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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#4136396 - 06/19/15 09:22 AM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: Wodin]  
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Originally Posted By: Wodin
That's odd then. As I don't do anything different and now I get alot of rejected where as before I never got any.


That's how things go sometimes Wodin. It's like a DM change we can fly 30 missions testing it all with the same setup - looks much better - then you get 20 that don't seem good or mixed up.


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#4136404 - 06/19/15 10:04 AM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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That's the mark of a great sim I say.
Lotsa factors in play and nothing ever exactly the same from moment to moment, fight to fight, or hit by hit.

#4136460 - 06/19/15 01:22 PM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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+1 to that, Duke.

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#4136699 - 06/19/15 08:27 PM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Of Mick Mannocks 1st 16 claims, 6 were rejected. I feel pretty good. Just sayin'.


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#4136705 - 06/19/15 08:39 PM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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I personally think the claims system is great. It's not perfect, which is much like in the real war. Sometimes you don't get credit for that hard fought victory and it's frustrating. I imagine that's how it was. If I want them all accepted, there's an option for that. If I want real scrutiny, there's an option for that and there's also an option for something in-between in difficulty. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm just saying that I'm good with the options available to me.


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#4136743 - 06/19/15 10:19 PM Re: In defense of the WOFF Claim System. [Re: MFair]  
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Of Mick Mannocks 1st 16 claims, 6 were rejected. I feel pretty good. Just sayin'.


My Wife's Grandfather flew on the Western Front. Sadly he passed away before I met my wife. However my Mother-in-Law told me he had six confirmed Kill's (other family members remember different numbers !) during the 3 years he flew in action. However he said that he believed he had brought down about twice that amount.

He was a religious man and said that he feared those aircraft he brought down most probably cost the life of a fellow human being, he did not celebrate his claims or confirmed victories.

Perhaps in the virtual world we place more importance on "Kills" than some pilots did during the actual conflict.

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