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#4133223 - 06/12/15 07:58 PM What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle.  
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http://ralphmirebs.livejournal.com/219949.html

The site is in Russian but the images are amazing.

I'm surprised they still exist.


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#4133226 - 06/12/15 08:05 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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Brilliant pics, thanks for posting, what a waste ...

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#4133247 - 06/12/15 08:55 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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I don't even think what is shown in those pics exists anymore. I seem to recall that hanger collapsed in 2002 and destroyed most everything in there.

EDIT: Oh, nope. I did some double checking and it's apparently another hanger in these photos.

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#4133252 - 06/12/15 09:01 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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criminal waste - like everything connected with Communism.

#4134114 - 06/14/15 10:33 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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Wow, their thermal tiling system looks like they raided an indoor swimming pool and stole everything from the shower area. "Da, tiles. The Americans are using tiles. These are from Olympic facility, best quality!"


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#4134126 - 06/14/15 10:58 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss
criminal waste - like everything connected with Communism.


Maybe, at least it's paid for... wink

#4134307 - 06/15/15 11:24 AM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted By: Crane Hunter
Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss
criminal waste - like everything connected with Communism.


Maybe, at least it's paid for... wink


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#4134312 - 06/15/15 11:32 AM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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wow those are stunning photos!

thanks,
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#4134360 - 06/15/15 01:44 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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A shame they never put them into a museum. I know they stopped flying them because they never really needed them, they only thought they had to have them, so the expense wasn't worth it, but at least the Russians should be able to admire what they made.



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#4134363 - 06/15/15 01:47 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: letterboy1]  
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Originally Posted By: letterboy1
"Da, tiles. The Americans are using tiles. These are from Olympic facility, best quality!"


hahaha


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#4134385 - 06/15/15 02:25 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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Should sell 'em to NASA.

Still amazes the frick out of me that USA currently has no heavy lift capability and the shuttle replacement program isn't due to make its first test launch until 2018 (optimistically?) In the meantime NASA is in the humiliating position of hitching rides on Soyuz (what happens if diplomacy fails?) and buying space on JAXA, SpaceX and ESO rockets.

I wasn't paying attention but didn't anyone think hey the Space Shuttles are nearing their end of life, we probably need a replacement ready for 2011 (other than hitching a ride on other people's rockets).

Or is it only the Chinese, Gulf States and Indians who still dream of travelling to the stars?

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#4134390 - 06/15/15 02:30 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: HeinKill]  
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Originally Posted By: HeinKill

Or is it only the Chinese, Gulf States and Indians who still dream of travelling to the stars?

H
A lot has changed since the end of the Cold War. The Cold War was the primary motivator for both the Russian and US space programs.


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#4134391 - 06/15/15 02:31 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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Interesting that they were fitted with K36 ejection seats, unlike our own shuttles.

Like Chernobyl, this will stand for a bit as a time capsule to the former Soviet era.

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#4134399 - 06/15/15 02:44 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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As much as I was disgusted by the Soviet system, their shuttles should be placed in a museum and displayed.


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#4134402 - 06/15/15 02:47 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: HeinKill]  
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Originally Posted By: HeinKill


I wasn't paying attention but didn't anyone think hey the Space Shuttles are nearing their end of life, we probably need a replacement ready for 2011 (other than hitching a ride on other people's rockets).

Or is it only the Chinese, Gulf States and Indians who still dream of travelling to the stars?

H



The shuttle's replacement was already cancelled twice. The first, the Venturestar SSTO was to have been a leap forward after validation by the X-33. Instead, they spent over a billion and got a leaky fuel tank that scuttled the whole thing, canceled in 2001.
Second, they tried to make the Ares system, putting a small capsule on top of a shuttle booster...canceled in 2010 IIRC.

They've known they needed a replacement for decades, they've just been even more unsuccessful at making one than they were at making the shuttle itself reliable and affordable.



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#4134403 - 06/15/15 02:48 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: ST0RM]  
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Originally Posted By: ST0RM
Interesting that they were fitted with K36 ejection seats, unlike our own shuttles.

Like Chernobyl, this will stand for a bit as a time capsule to the former Soviet era.

-Jeff


Space Shuttle Columbia was fitted with ejection seats for its first four flights, made with 2 man crew. No way to provide ejection seats for a full crew so the two for the commander/pilot were removed once the shuttles went operational.


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Shuttles replacement exists in the SpaceX Dragon / Boeing CST-100, congress just chooses to keep robbing these commercial crew programs in order to throw more money at SLS / Orion.


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#4134411 - 06/15/15 02:59 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master


They've known they needed a replacement for decades, they've just been even more unsuccessful at making one than they were at making the shuttle itself reliable and affordable.


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What were the major obstacles for doing that? The heat shielding for re-entry? My amateurish perception always was that the tiles were not the ideal solution, and very expensive due to the need for replacement after each flight.


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#4134426 - 06/15/15 03:19 PM Re: What is left of the Buran, the Russian space shuttle. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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The tiles were just part of it. The gist is a reusable vehicle needs a thorough inspection after each flight to make sure it's ready again. It's very labor-intensive, and while the entire vehicle was designed for roughly 100 flight, many of the parts were not.
The engines IIRC were designed for 20 or so flights? Whatever the number, they needed extensive examination and refurbishment after every flight.
There were many obsolete components on board that would only periodically be refreshed. In the 21st century they all got newer "glass" cockpits and updated some of the ancient computers on board. In the first 15 years, many many aborts were called because of faults in those old computers. The updated ones were much better, but still suffered the rigors of space flight and needed to be kept up.

It's a catch-22. If you make an expendable rocket, everything only needs to work once flawlessly. If it fails if you try and use it 4 times, what does it matter? Materials can be lighter because there's no reentry aside from the crew area, and once they return it's a museum piece. However, you need to build a new one each time, and that costs.
If you make it reusable, now you're building it once, albeit with heavier stronger materials, but you're going to get lots of flights out of it. So while it costs more than a one-shot, over the course of several missions it would be cheaper...except that the refurbishment to make sure it's safe again takes so much labor and parts.

I think it boils down to that. It's cheaper in labor to make an expendable, while it's cheaper in materials to make a reusable. Except labor costs have gone up far faster than materials, so reusable is becoming less and less viable.



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Maybe Hugo Drax wants to buy them?


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