I don't get your question.. what do you mean what happens to it.. ? You are obviously just being your usual charming self..

Really? you are offended by a simple question?

Lemme break it down nice and simple for you, What happens to a hidden thread 'after' it has been reviewed and the moderations view is that it will not be reopened for public consumption and the relevant party has been given answer B?

Seriously it's like herding cats.

From what we've seen it seems generally what happens is the moderator puffs his chest out and then posts a mealy mouthed explanation in a different thread later when he see's his developers friends won't back him up

None of your questions are ever simple.. at least not simple as in clear and without something else behind them.. and I stopped being offended by you a long time ago bongo.. What do you think happens to it bongo? Usually if it is hidden it stays that way.. if it is locked it stays that way.. I mean... DUUUUHHH..



Mealy mouthed.. well .. you saying so does not make it a fact.. I think I was pretty clear in my post. Very clear in fact.. The original thread was locked and since I was called to task for it I responded to it. Obviously the admins did not find it as offensive as some of the folks here did.. and at the time it was justified and to this day I stand behind what I said both in my response/explanation and the post that prompted it. The fact that either of you are even calling me to task over something that happened six months ago says all that needs to be said about your motivations. Since you brought it up.. just for the record.. here is my mealy mouthed post.



Get over it.

You know Revvin why do you behave in such a nasty way... ? Where does all this stuff really come from with you? In all the time I have spent online I have never seen anyone behave as rudely or as just plain old nasty as you do.. and your buddy above you acts as if he is the smarttest man on Earth.. and everyone else is an idiot.

I am pretty certain that this post will be edited ... but I cannot help sometimes when I look at some of this stuff just what the deal is with some of you folks over here..

Right, and I'm the one with charm issues

It's not my fault if you are paranoid, it's just a simple question.

But now we have established that threads are still simply 'hidden' (presumably) despite the fact they have been reviewed as not re-openable the next question is.......why? it is an odd concept that there is still an archive of threads that are never intended to see the light of day again.

That was a interesting thread over there JagdNeun.
Specifically this Emil member, stating clearly he doesn't relly care if the game dies since he has so many other important things to do in his life.
That's very mych spot on, those who DO care are the one complaining when those who can't give a horse crap think it's all fine and dandy (but enjoy wholefully to point out haters to the left and right).
As a developer - who should you listen to if you really wanted to reach somewhere with your product?
Currently only those not giving a darn is the golden children of that forum (you know, the "take my money" kind of members).

What's better to hear?

A storm of criticism from concerned customers?

Silence?

Those are the two options. The list of people only posting shiny happy thoughts is pretty slim, and no company ever improved from listening to yes men. Being told everything you do is perfect when you're NOT experiencing huge growth will only lead to stagnation at best, ruination at worst.

If they can't tell the difference between concern and derision, that's their problem. Literally. It will cause them a great deal of grief when they treat every customer who is only 90% satisfied the same as the ones who aren't satisfied at all. At least a concerned customer is still a customer and a source of revenue. Silence doesn't buy from you.

Do they want to make a successful Il-2, or do they want to make THEIR idea of Il-2? Obviously they're not the same, and they've succeeded in occupying a middle ground where almost no customers are interested. They must either be flexible enough to provide their customers with what they want, or they will have to accept the loss of customers.



The Jedi Master

I never presented it as fact, I did think it was a mealy mouthed excuse that was made in a different thread from where you originally posted those outbursts when you were quoted when it should have been an apology for telling customers to: (bold text and font size as per the original post))


Using terms like:


That is no way to speak to customers no matter what but instead of apologising in those threads you make some mealy mouthed excuse and even manage to work in a link and an advert for RoF whilst also blowing your own trumpet at the end of your post. I don't think many people believe your excuse about just meaning to "I meant be gone from the forums for a spell if all you have to contribute is negativity and the same well documented complaints adnaseum". A forum isn't like sitting in a voice chat room where you might blurt something out and then regret it or perhaps use words that you should not to explain something, on a forum you have all the time in the world to read through a post before hitting send so if that's what you really meant to say then you had all the time in the world to read through and think to yourself "should I really say that" or "should I really say it like that". Its not like its the first time you've had the responsibility of being a moderator so you should have known better *if* you really meant what you said in that excuse you gave.

I'm supposed to be the one who behaves in a nasty way yet you see fit to respond to a member like this:



You say I behave in such a nasty way yet I've never responded to you like this:


It looks like JagdNeun is getting the same treatment Airdrop01 got from you, fall out with him here and you jump on his posts over there. It makes you look like a bully that because you're not getting your way in the classroom (SimHQ) 'I'll see you outside after the bell'(Official Forum)

LOL. Those trees have perhaps 4/5 meters (~15 foots) high, not even in Ka-50 Black Shark I need fly between then.
What you guys are done in these flight sims, rally?

I think in reality the issue with collideable trees is a fantasy killer rather than an immersion killer, they seem to suggest that not being able to crash into trees is unrealistic when in fact being that close to trees in the first place is unrealistic, but now we are going to hear all about the cheaters who hide in trees, but anyone who is hiding in trees is out of the fight anyway so it makes little to no difference, leave them too it and wait for them to grow a big enough pair to venture into the rarefied air where the real heroes hang out.

My number one combat flight sim, is TF Cliffs of Dover. By far.

The fact that the trees are not collideable, for whatever reason, has never bothered me. For some strange reason, I never really find myself flying below tree top level.

Oh I guess if they were , I could go into exterior view, fly my plane into the trees and watch the grand explosion and think, hey cool. One time would probably be enough for me, and so far I have never found myself wishing - dang, why can't I collide into trees...

That reminds me of the time that the Testers team was disbanded (apart from one) because one plane didn't have a collision DM, during a BETA, and it was discovered when one tester flew into a tree and didn't explode.
So the Project Manager flew into a rage and removed everyone else from the Tester Team.

That was when I started to think that things weren't quite right with the developers of BOS.

Shame it all lived up to my fears.

Good point, and I agree. When I found this out, I thought "ok, and when would I be flying in the trees?" "But what about players hiding in the trees?" Who cares about dweebs in the trees.

Non issue.

I would trade contact with trees causing damage for great single player content every day.

A big plus 1 to that!
Precisely why I continue to fly Cliffs of Dover (TF of course). Have not flown BOS in months... for single player action, no comparison.

Even WT has collideable trees.

But CLOD has neither collision detection for trees nor a single player campaign with a damn.

Have you tried some of the linear campaigns by Bolox or Heinkill (Fred Williams)...they're brilliant. Granted, there are only about 20 of them (and I wish there were more), but "Spitfire On My Tail" parts 1 and 2 are simply great, where he takes you through a book written by an actual Luftwaffe pilot chapter by chapter. Now that's what I'm talking about!

And then how about the Desastersoft campaigns for CloD...also excellent.

And these campaigns exists because the tools and hooks are there in CloD to build them. And these tools and hooks are the single most important thing that is missing in BoS. Loft has consciously left them out of BoS because....
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Found it. This is the target age for BoS customers (not the girl in the cage in the background). Loft is the one on the right. He's explaining how BoS is just like Doom, except with wings. The prospective customer is probably not into historic role playing yet.

yeah but I bet none of those campaigns portrayed the famous lumberjack raids.

He cuts down trees
He eats his lunch
He goes to the lavatory
On Wednesday he goes shopping
And has buttered scones for tea




The Jedi Master

The Tree stuff isn't very important for the battle of England.
On the same map, it would be a real problem to simulate RAF Rhubard missions over France.
.... but since the corresponding planeset isn't available, I suppose it isn't a problem either.

There were some Bf110 Jabo attacks with partial approaches and escapes at tree level (some mission are fully documented in specialized 'zines)... but I suppose these rare events are of no interest to those who don't care about uncollidables trees.