#4126749 - 05/30/15 10:35 AM
Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight?
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Perhaps the wording of their role during a mission briefing can be changed to "...will take off after you and might be in the area and then maybe help you during combat." .....
Maybe change the wording to "moral support flight?" I'm sure they are rooting for you!
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#4126751 - 05/30/15 10:48 AM
Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight?
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In my experience,the "support" leave the flight and steer somewhere else after a couple of waypoints,I have never seen them follow all the way to the objective,except a couple of times,with RNAS Campaign,and they were all Airports strikes,they stayed up there and engaged a Hun patrol coming to harass us.
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#4126766 - 05/30/15 11:33 AM
Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight?
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I suspect they will attack or aid you if they are within a certain range. What the effective range is remains unknown to me. I have often lead my flight back to keep "A" flight close to us when patrolling. Sometimes they help and sometimes not. If there is a critical range that affects "A" flights decision to help, I wish I knew what it was and I could use it to advantage.
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#4126774 - 05/30/15 12:02 PM
Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight?
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Well, after looking at the simulation.xml file, I maybe wrong, but I think this is how it works...
An AI plane will "scan" the sky by cycling through 4 views (front, up, right and left - not below since they can't see through the craft) every 12 seconds (or as dictated by the file). So, it will "scan" in front (~60 degree angle) for 12 secs, then to the right for 12 secs, etc... By the time it scans in front again, then almost 1 minute has passed.
This explains why "A flight" will never see the enemy (or you) below them unless they are in a position to "see" and are scanning the sky at that time.
The distance range is the same as it is in workshop for label ID. That is why the AI will not react to seeing AA inside their territory because the flight is too far away to be ID'd. If the AI can ID each other, then they will engage or run away.
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#4126819 - 05/30/15 04:37 PM
Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight?
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Well I see it's not only me then.
I get AI limitations, etc, but the performance of "A" Flight is quite the "immersion buzzkill" and needs immediate attention. A change may be quite simple...I think? What makes this all particularly odd is it seems the enemy AI flights have no problem hunting you down - or joining a dogfight already in progress. Quite right,if enemy AI spots you even at a lower altitude,why not Support? I think that support as I said before,does its job only when "it's around" in fact the two times I had support from A flight,they were on site and well above us.But as I said,most of the times,even though they are meant to go all the way to the target as per briefing,usuaslly leave the party after a couple of waypoints.Probably they go back to the Bar for a pint!
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#4126828 - 05/30/15 05:22 PM
Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight?
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1 in 12 sounds generous to me. I*'ve tailed them and stuck very close to them. EA have passed very close to us and even then they seldom attack. They seem quite happy to lead the EA to us then flee for the nearest airbase while we clear their tails of attacking EA. Maybe we're reading it wrong. Maybe we're "supporting" them!
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#4126830 - 05/30/15 05:28 PM
Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight?
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1 in 12 is quite generous MudWasp especially when I said "dozens"! Hehe...
EDIT: Almost forgot. Thanks OldHat! That tidbit will be another cut & paste for the knowledge library.
Last edited by DukeIronHand; 05/30/15 05:31 PM.
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#4126836 - 05/30/15 05:44 PM
Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight?
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1 in 12 is quite generous MudWasp especially when I said "dozens"! Hehe...
EDIT: Almost forgot. Thanks OldHat! That tidbit will be another cut & paste for the knowledge library. Ah, I must have miss read ya, or had a minor brain fart... My apologies... I've only had them help me a handful of times in approximately 500 flights with 4 pilots I fly often from various nations.
Last edited by MudWasp; 05/30/15 05:50 PM. Reason: Brain fart
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#4126867 - 05/30/15 07:27 PM
Re: Does anyone ever get "support" from the Support flight?
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I seem to remember from OFF BHaH, that the escorting fighters would defend your flight if you managed to keep up with them. Maybe more out of the fact that when the enemy planes descend in a screaming dive on you the escorts 'see' them first. I don't recall if there were settings in OFF to adjust this loyality.
Last edited by Lewis; 05/30/15 07:28 PM.
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