I started doing the training modules for the MiG-21 yesterday and it really did feel like I was taking an online college course but I mean that in a good way!


Anyway, I bought the MiG-21 when it was on sale earlier this year and I've finally gotten around to learning it. It's a nice jet!

I am just trying to get back into the mig 21 ... and must say its probably my favorite of the dcs fixed wing modules...but I don't know why .. I think its just that "Russian Farm machinery" feeling it has ... and the vodka fueled radar

It does have some strange quirks (and will try to kill you) but that's the challenge of it

Not to be confused with the Vodka fueled Radar Operator: the Pilot.

I have yet to feel anything so terrifying in DCS as landing a jet that doesn't glide without use of military throttle on a two lane highway in a crosswind.

Try it on one lane during rush hour.



The Jedi Master

It's not a plane, it's a rocket. With the addition of the smallest control surfaces possible to have whilst still maintaining a degree of control over the rocket

I just wish there'd be better MP action for it. Taking off, climbing to cruise altitude just to get BVR'd isn't terribly fun.

True it, really needs a phantom to compliment the PvP missions like the MIG-15 vs the Saber. Plus, I think a lot of mission designers just add a slot for the 21 in their missions as an after thought and forget to add GCI with a proper channel so they can atleast point us in the right direction. The 21 with no GCI is like flying with a blindfold on.

I like this post. Let me add, the Mig-21 is the most I ever had to really study since the F-15C. Of course the F-15C was all about radar, refuel and ECM. The Eagle was cake to take off and land. The Mig feels real like a simulation. Its made me study hard. I like it.
I agree that we need a Phantom in this level of detail. A Mirage would do also . Sorry, I just watched the Desert Dogfights episode.

What do you mean, Skoop? What needs to be in there?

A guy was saying how he flew the MiG in the 'Simply War' mission and flew a long way only to get shot down near the target.

WC

Crew, I wasn't directing that towards you. It was a random server, I flew recently where I had to fly to the battlefield in a high threat environment with no gci radar. Made it really tough. I'll have to take a look at simply war and test the radio channels for the mig21.

Basically the 21's radar is very limited, so ground control would guide the migs to the target until they could get them on their own radar. The mig21 manual has a page that talks about making a quick gci radar unit in template form that can be added to any mission. It's just a matter of ensuring that the right freqs line up with the proper channels. I think there's a default freq and channel 0, but you can change that in the editor.

No no, I'm just interested in what would work best. I took no offense!



Simply War does need Red CAP & SEAD support, and the guy did not have any. I'll look at the GCI Radar and freqs and get back if ?s.

WC

IIRC from memory, the 0 (GCI channel) is 124 AM.

Russian Air Defense includes and EWR 1L13 and a EWR 55G6 -- are these what you guys are talking about? There is an Advanced Waypoint Action to Set Freq that defaults to 131 MHz AM for both EWR units. Can these EWRs be in their own group to work the way you want? Both units have about a 60 NM radius.


Or are you talking about an A-50 AWACS? The AWACS has a Freq default of 251 MHz AM. I guess that both EWR and AWACS would be desired?


Looking at the MiG-21Bis, that defaults to freq 124 MHz AM.


WC

I'd say try to keep the migs close to the default of 124MHz AM on channel 0, strategically place the EWR units at a location where the 60nm will be useful to the mission.

Those are the GCI radars BTW, I think the US has one, and Georgia has one as well if you wanted to have blue side migs with GCI.

There was a post on DCS Forums a bunch of weeks ago saying that the Blue EWRs would not interact with the other Blue air defense assets.
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=142038

More --
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=131332


I'll make the changes to Simply War today.
Working on the ol' Ants mission. Ninja warrior!

WC

If it's a Blufor -21, any Blufor EWR/AWACS set to the right channel will work.

Thanks, guys,
For Simply War, I changed all Red a/c to freq 124 MHz AM. Added two EWR 1L13 units in a single group with one at Min-Vody and the other at Maykop, and used Advanced Waypoint Action Set Freq to 124 MHz AM. Added a Red A-50 AWACS and set it at freq 124 MHz AM.

I then added four Red Client Su-27s and when I went to set their freqs the field was greyed out -- now all the Red a/c has the freq field greyed out and set to 124 MHz AM -- I think maybe this is due to adding in the Red A-50... ? BTW, the new Client Su-27s have wingmen.



Hmmm, all the Blue Client a/c also have their freq field greyed and set to 124, but the Blue AWACS is 251.

WC

Actually, I've had issues trying to have multiple EWRs on the same frequency. I tried putting down enough of them to cover the entire theater, and wanted to have them all on the proper GCI channel. The result was that not a single one of them would respond.