#3898967 - 01/21/14 08:26 AM
Re: SA-6 Gainful
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Does SA-6 has anything to overcome ALE-50 like SA-3 or this system can't do anything against it? And what SA-3 have against ALE-50?... Manual target tracking. A well trained human operator knows that the ALE-50 is always behind the target. Basicly ALE-50 was designed against the SA-6/10.
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#3900445 - 01/23/14 06:41 PM
Re: SA-6 Gainful
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Thanks Hpasp for answer. And do you know if SA-10 with semi-active guided missiles (5V55R etc.) has any solution for it? I suppose that older command guided 5V55K could overcome it like SA-2 and SA-3. The S-300PS/PMU (SA-10B) has manual target tracking capability... (3 similar indicator at the bottom right) ... but it can track only 1 target at one time. Generally its a better idea to similarly track both incoming Weasel and launch 2x2 missiles parallelly against them. With the 5V55R missile 75km range and Mach6 speed, can easily outpace any HARM. (still have 4 empty channel for incoming HARM or other targets)
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#3900894 - 01/24/14 02:52 PM
Re: SA-6 Gainful
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Hpasp, the SA-10B would require an own topic. It's a really interesting system. Done
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#3904908 - 01/31/14 03:20 PM
Re: SA-6 Gainful
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The 310.srp PVO was formed during 1982 in Kraguljevac, Yugoslavia. Just before the OAF 1999 break out, the 4 KUB battery were redistributed. 1st battery was sent to defend the Sjenica AFB, some 100km SW of Kraguljevac. 4 MiG-21 fighter were hidden at this reserve base. 3rd battery was sent to defend the Ponikve AFB, some 100km W of Kraguljevac. 2 MiG-29 and 2 MiG-21 fighter were hidden at this reserve base. At Kraguljevac, only the 2nd, and the 4th KUB battery were left. At the 9th day of the war, the regiment was ordered leave Kraguljevac and take new position at 60~70km west of Belgrade. 14th of April, the 310/4.srp PVO KUB was discovered by NATO air forces, and were attacked by two AGM-130 missiles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-130The first AGM missile hit the Diesel Electric Transformer cabin. http://www.nato.int/video/990416b.mpgThe operator is standing beside the cabin (probable smoking), he survived the explosion. The second AGM hit the SURN. http://www.nato.int/video/990416c.mpg Zoran Viriyevich reserve soldier died instantly... ... he was buried on the 16th of April at Kragujevac. He was 31 years old...
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#3924798 - 03/14/14 06:15 PM
Re: SA-6 Gainful
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Author Piotr Dubowik. Gouache on paper 41x32. "Su-22M4 catapulted the accidental shooting down the training ground Ustka - Poland" http://www.sztukaitechnika.pl/blog/35,katapultowanie-z-su-22m4.html The story: GOOGLE translation
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#3924922 - 03/14/14 09:02 PM
Re: SA-6 Gainful
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WOW great article!!! After the Cold War, when the British received the ex-East German KUBs for system exploitation, they had a big problem during test firings... ... even if they disarmed the KUB missile warhead, the damn missile usually scored a direct hit on the RC target plane.
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#3926040 - 03/17/14 05:28 PM
Re: SA-6 Gainful
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After the Cold War, when the British received the ex-East German KUBs for system exploitation, they had a big problem during test firings... ... even if they disarmed the KUB missile warhead, the damn missile usually scored a direct hit on the RC target plane. Where we could read more about those testings?
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#4104406 - 04/10/15 07:03 PM
Re: SA-6 Gainful
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Translated from the: http://legiero.blog.hu/2015/04/01/a_tabornok_nyughelyeDuring a war there could be strange circumstances, when the fate of a MiG-29 pilot is arrives in a face of a HARM missile. Fate has strange ways for warriors. General Velickovic during his fighter pilot career, flown F-84 Thunderjet, F-86 Sabre, MiG-21 Fishbed, and MiG-29 Fulcrum serving the Yugoslav Air Force. According to the Western News of those days of 1999... NATO struck hard at Serb forces deployed in Kosovo, destroying a significant amount of artillery during Day 70 of Operation Allied Force. NATO aircraft struck at least 32 pieces of artillery, nine armoured personnel carriers, eight mortar positions, six armoured vehicles, four other military vehicles, a SA-6 SAM site and assorted revetted positions. The heaviest strikes against Serb forces in Kosovo took place in the vicinity of Planeja and Mount Pastrik, where severe fighting continues between VJ/MUP forces and the UCK.
Other targets hit included: Electric power transmission tower near Belgrade Military barracks at Obrenovac Air defense command center at Novi Sad AM radio broadcast stations at: Ruma, and Srbobran TV/FM relay site at Banjska Radio relay site at Novi Pazar Highway bridge at Pirot Railway bridge at Pirot Petroleum refueling station at Marash Petroleum storage site at Sombor Ammunition storage site at Kursumlija
NATO aircraft flew a total of 575 sorties, including 197 strike sorties and 70 suppression of enemy air defense (SEAD) missions. The weather in the operating region was mixed yesterday, leading to the cancellation of some sorties. All NATO aircraft returned safely. Allied Force operations are underway on Day 71. Further details will be available at the NATO morning update at 1030.
During that night actually two Serbian SA-6 battery was taken out of action by NATO, the bloodiest night of the 1999 war from the Serbian Air Defense point of view. They lost 5 warriors that night... As an inspector officer from the Serbian high command, General Velickovic stayed at the SURN (Straight Flush) fire control radar during the unfolding night battle, and died with its crew. His mother died just 4 years after, at 78... ... still calling his son at the back of her tomb. (my son...) warriors, rest in peace
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#4141873 - 07/01/15 08:09 PM
Re: SA-6 Gainful
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Spada-2000 use the obsolete AIM-7 Sparrow missile with limited ceiling (well below the existing capabilities of the KUB missile)... ... I would rather prefer the NASAMS-II system, at least it use the more deadlier AIM-120 AMRAAM missile.
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