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#4104068 - 04/10/15 04:52 AM
Re: Bismarck: what are the odds? 1 in a million?
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The Swordfish was introduced into Fleet Air Arm service in 1936- hardly a WWI era design. And remember, the same year, the Grumman F3F, also a biplane, was introduced into service with American Carrier Air Groups.
As for the steering gear of the Bismarck, that's always been the weakest link of any warship, especially in that period of time. On the USS North Carolina, laid down a year after the Bismarck, the design of the steering gear was (and is) still incredibly complex, slow, and easily to disable, even with several manual override options. Even on modern warships, the rudders are still one of the weakest links in a ship's ability to stay in the fight. And since no military in their right minds would ever adopt azipods for main propulsion units for warships, I don't see that changing any time soon.
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#4104078 - 04/10/15 06:17 AM
Re: Bismarck: what are the odds? 1 in a million?
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#4104085 - 04/10/15 06:54 AM
Re: Bismarck: what are the odds? 1 in a million?
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That a torpedo from an outdated WW I biplane would just happen to hit the rudder section of the ship and cause it to be stuck cruising around in circles with no steering control thus keeping it from heading toward friendly ports off the northern French coasts where the Luftwaffe and other German warships could had protected it from the pursuing Royal Navy warships?
Was there anything in the ship's original design that could had prevented this?
After all, it had the biggest guns with a longer range than anything the Royal Navy had, the thickest armor, the best engines but did some engineer forget to protect the rudder and steering control section at the rear of the ship?
Also the experts nowadays said the Bismarck's AA system was inadequate.
The guns were not sync to fire at the same targets and their caliber and rate of firepower were too slow and small.
p.s. watching Nazi Mega Weapons Hitler's Megaships
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#4104094 - 04/10/15 07:36 AM
Re: Bismarck: what are the odds? 1 in a million?
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What you have? A spy in the British Naval high command?  They look like Fairey Barracudas. Torpedo bombers. Thanks. Never heard of them! I just found out while watching this documentary that the Royal Navy used F-4 Hellcats to attack the Tirpitz.
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#4104101 - 04/10/15 08:20 AM
Re: Bismarck: what are the odds? 1 in a million?
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"What you have? A spy in the British Naval high command?
hahaha "
We, French, always have to continuously have UP TO DATE informations on what cooks beyond the black curtains of British Intelligence services.
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#4104118 - 04/10/15 10:08 AM
Re: Bismarck: what are the odds? 1 in a million?
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There are currently no surviving Barracuda's however the Fleet Air Arm are trying to restore one from the remains of 2 heavily damaged aircraft.
If anyone follows 'The Mighty Jingles' (WoT and WT player) he visited the Fleet Air Arm and was allowed to see the progress.That video helped to raise a fair amount of money towards the project from his YT followers.
The Barracuda distinguished itself with an attack on the Tirpitz with 14 direct hits that disabled it for months with the loss of only 1 aircraft. Subsequent raids by the same type were not successful.
Going back to the Swordfish,I believe that the Bismarks's fire-control system wasn't designed to track and fire at such slow aircraft plus it was stated that quite a few flew so low that the guns could not depress enough.
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#4104126 - 04/10/15 10:51 AM
Re: Bismarck: what are the odds? 1 in a million?
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And since no military in their right minds would ever adopt azipods for main propulsion units for warships, I don't see that changing any time soon. Seems like the Mistral is using azimuth thrusters.
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#4104128 - 04/10/15 10:53 AM
Re: Bismarck: what are the odds? 1 in a million?
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Remember also that it was the third air strike against the Bismark.The first was by Swordfish and Fulmars with 1 hit that was just shrugged off by Bismark.The second failed to find her.Third time lucky (or unlucky for the Bismark).
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#4104132 - 04/10/15 11:07 AM
Re: Bismarck: what are the odds? 1 in a million?
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A hit aft in the rudder and shaft area can cause far more trouble than merely disabling one of the rudders.
The POW was sunk to aerial attack, mostly because of flooding along the shafts from a similar hit, which disabled engine room and generators.
The required depth of the torpedo defence system precludes it's use in the bow and stern, always the ends, but in some types limiting the effectiveness of the system over the magazines of the forward and aft most turrets (e.g. BB55 forward magazine casualty, and additionally compromised width and form of TDS of BB57 class in the stern over the Magazine for Turret III).
All that can be done for the ends is to compartmentalise them, and protect sufficient length midships to permit complete flooding of both ends... backup steering gear protects against minor damage, but is often irrelevant with large calibre shells, bombs and torpedoes.
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#4104135 - 04/10/15 11:11 AM
Re: Bismarck: what are the odds? 1 in a million?
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The German Admiral was arrogant and inexperienced and too eager too and that contributed partly to the ultimate destruction of the Bismarck. And I'm sure defeating the Hood in such a fast dramatic fashion just bolstered his ego even more.
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