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#4102284 - 04/06/15 04:50 PM Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible?  
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Gents, I am still experiencing screen freeze in an average of 1 out of 3 missions. It is not linked to fps but is occurring over mostly airfields. I have had screen freezes at 48 fps. It occurs almost always at low level. I have shut off ALL background apps, have 16 gb ram on a 3.8 computer. I have turned down scenery density and detail to 2. I have even lowered the graphic on my resolution down. It is still happening. It is frustrating as I bought this computer for WOFF and now basically iit will not run it. Any assisstance would be very much appreciated as I am quite close to shutting down WOFF until an update? fixing this is made available.ps...I have also tweaked vsync as well as many other combinations (I have a week off of work and have spent an average of 2 hrs per day on various fixes-to no avail) Anyone else running WOFF on 8.1 "freeze-free'?...and if so...how
Any assisstance would be very much appreciated.
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#4102285 - 04/06/15 04:57 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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When you say "Freeze" are you talking about the game "stuttering", or the game "stopping" ???

If it stops, does it drop out of the mission or does it drop to desktop ???

Since you have post this here and in the OFF section (different games), which do you have OFF3 or WOFF and if you have WOFF, do you have WOFF 1.0 or WOFF 2.0 ???


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#4102288 - 04/06/15 05:24 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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The game freezes. I then have to re-start WOFF. It seems to happen right after a game "stutter" I have vysnyc on OFF (WOFF workshop) I have also tried it on "ON" as well as driver setting. I have even tweaked with the anti-aliasing. The only connection that I can see is either Win 8.1 or the DX8 shaders. The game will not freeze if the DX8 shaders are off. The game is WOFF 2.0 and I have all of the updates. Sorry. My last post was intended to be under WOFF and not OFF.

#4102294 - 04/06/15 05:46 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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I think you mean DX9 shaders. The original CFS3, plus OFF3 and WOFF 1.0 used DX8, WOFF 2.0 moved to DX9 which made the game twice as efficient as the original DX8.

There are other people who have Windows 8.1 with no problems, so I doubt it is that.

Have you loaded the DX9 complete package ??? That is needed to use any of the DX9 shaders. If you look in your WOFF Toolbox, you will see the DX9 executable you must install to use the DX9 shaders. While you are there, you might as well install the other two programs that the Dev's put there fo the game to run correctly.


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#4102298 - 04/06/15 05:50 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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Yes, I meant DX9 shaders and yes I have installed ALL of the toolbox contents.

#4102304 - 04/06/15 05:58 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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Johnnydrake, I also experience occasional freezes. They usually occur when I'm looking towards the ground and when they occur it always dumps me back to the mission outcome window. It wouldn't be so bad except if I'm over enemy lines when it happens I almost always lose my whole flight. I, like you, have also tried everything except going back to Windows 7.


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#4102306 - 04/06/15 06:07 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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Thanks SOGriffen. I don't even get to the mission outcome screen. The game freezes with the sound on and even Task Manager will not get me from having to reboot the computer. I tried upping the antialiasing to 4 samples and that seemed to work for awhile but alas...another crash. I do not want this to turn into a "gripe session" as the WOFF game is fantastic. I would really appreciate any suggestions from anyone as to what settings are working in workshop with their Win 8.1

#4102308 - 04/06/15 06:09 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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When I was working through the occasional "Freeze" as you call it, I narrowed down and eliminated several that were causing me to either drop from a mission or drop completely to desktop. You have to remember that OFF3/WOFF will problably be the "pickest" game you will ever play. The slightest thing can cause it to stop because it is nothing more that one giant mod on top on another game.

Reasons for stopping that I have found:
1. My antivirus would decide it was time to do a sweep. Solution was turn off antivirus "Real Time Protection".
2. A message or notification over the internet. Solution was to disconnect the internet when playing WOFF.
3. Other programs in the background operating or starting. Solution is turn off everything not needed to play the game (and M$ runs a lot of them).

At this point, disconnecting from the internet has been my final solution and so far (cross my fingers) I have no more problems.


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#4102312 - 04/06/15 06:25 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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Thanks Panama. I am offline. Right now I have turned on triple buffering on my NVIDIA settings (program settings) and so far so good. A colleague of mine with much more computer knowledge than myself believes that it may be a buffering issue.

#4102318 - 04/06/15 06:43 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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I will tell you that when flying low over cities I will still have a "micro-pause" as the game loads more of the city or city graphics (just the nature of the beast), but I have never had it "Freeze" like you. It may also be because I have s stronger CPU and GPU than you too that I can get through this problem, where you can not with you particular setting and what is running on your PC.


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#4102390 - 04/06/15 09:31 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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Thanks for the tip johnnydrake, I've not tried turning on triple buffering. I will give that a try when I get home.


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#4102402 - 04/06/15 10:17 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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Sorry SOGriffen It Crashed on triple buffering as well. I even lowered my resolution down from 1920x1080. I have yet to have it freeze with Force On in workshop. Will work on that. If anyone else has any tips please send them along. I have tried everything mentioned here not to mention checking the WOFF FAQ.

#4102404 - 04/06/15 10:25 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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The triple buffering in the NVidia control panel is normally for OGL games like IL2 (CFS3 is D3D). If you use NVidia Inspector, it has a place where you can force D3D games to buffer too, from 1 to 8 frames.


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#4102413 - 04/06/15 10:51 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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SOGriffen. Try triple buffering with Force On in workshop. The rendering is a little more choppy with Force On but so far no screen freeze on 3 missions of low level strafing on airfields.

#4102531 - 04/07/15 07:29 AM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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IMHO, troubleshooting a freeze is the most frustrating experience in gaming.

There are no easy solutions to unexplained game freezes and the problem could lie anywhere, but is usually due to two or more conflicting resources trying to access the same thing at the same time. Not an easy task to figure out where the problem lies unless you're a PC guru.

If WOFF is the only reason why you bought the PC, then backup your important information and reformat the PC back to default factory settings. Including setting the BIOS to its default. Then install all Windows updates (including a manual install of DX9) and drivers. Install unmodified WOFF and test. If still get freezes, then you need to send the defective PC back as an RMA.

#4102573 - 04/07/15 11:17 AM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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Hi Johnny

I know exactly how you feel. I got a new computer to play WOFF, and with a GTX 970 with 4gb, an i5 3.6ghz and 16gb, I thought the game would literally fly. I turned all my settings to '11' and off I went. It ran at a pretty steady 50-60 fps but as you have found, I experienced random freezes near aerodromes, over towns or looking down at the ground. It didn't freeze every time but enough for me to be more worried about the freezing than the Albatross on my tail.

I read the FAQ and threads on the forum, uninstalled and reinstalled WOFF, reinstalled DX9 and tried all the helpful suggestions from the guys on this forum, short of reinstalling windows 8.1 or better still installing windows 7 instead.

I used one of the stock scenarios and one of my own which involved lots of cloud, and ground shadows to test various game settings over and over again until I achieved a - so far - freeze free state. Of course after many happy hours of flying I still can't resist trying to notch up a setting or two with the usual predicable result.

So, if it is of any help to you this is what my settings are currently. I dropped me resolution down from the native 2560x1440 to 1980x1080. In the Nvidia settings I have override 2x antialiasing and no anisotropic filtering. Any other settings are set to performance. V-synch + triple buffering I have on, but that is because when I started using Trackir I started getting tearing. Otherwise the game seemed smoother with it off. The workshop graphic settings are 5,4,3,5,5 and Shaders are 4,2,0,6,8. Terrain detail is normal and trees medium. With these settings I am now well into a campaign which has been freeze free.

I did notice that you said when your screen froze the only way out was to reboot. It might be worth leaving it running. What I experience is a screen freeze with sound running. After a length of time usually about 20 secs but which sometimes amounts to several minutes there is a glitch in the sound and you go to mission debrief. Looking at the logs the program appears to go into a loop of varying length. This at least means if it freezes on landing you don't lose that mission. Of course if it happens shortly after take off you suffer the indignity of the CO calling your effort a shambles.

I hope this helps. Even though I can't run the game at the highest settings it still looks good enough for me and is well worth persevering with. D H Lawrence is on the verge of becoming an ace!

Cheers,

Graeme

#4102584 - 04/07/15 11:45 AM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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That is very strange as I have similar specs (i5 2500k, 4gb GPU) and I always get smooth gameplay at max settings with not a single freeze or CTD. I did use 8.1 at one time early last year, but quickly uninstalled it due to quirky joystick drivers messing up my gaming experience.

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Like Panama said, WOFF is very quirky and I don't think we are going to ever really find the answer as to why the game freezes for some of us and doesn't for others. Thanks HaltonCamp, I will try your ideas and see if I can't finally kill these freezes.


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#4102733 - 04/07/15 04:48 PM Re: Win 8.1 and WOFF? Compatible? [Re: johnnydrake]  
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Much obliged HaltonCamp. I am going to try those settings that you listed. Our computer specs are very similar. I concur with your worry about freeze taking precedent over the Albatross on your tail! Very helpful information especially about letting the game run with the sound on after a freeze. I have always just been impatient and did a reboot. Thanks again!


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