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#4093330 - 03/17/15 10:27 PM 7/8 scale Nieuport 11.  
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Direct control, fabric over aluminum frame.

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Loads to do before it's done.

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#4093399 - 03/18/15 01:10 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Noah built a boat in his back yard before the rains came... but what's your escape plan? smile

Great to see the progress, Dart. Hope you'll be able to fly it soon.


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#4093554 - 03/18/15 01:55 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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LOL.

No joking, I read the updated build thread today and was going to write "This needs to go into the model building section".

Where you put it yesterday.

#4093917 - 03/19/15 01:24 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Yeah, I saw this forum and thought it would be funny to put it here.

Hell, it's the worst looking model here - the level of craftsmanship and attention to detail is insane in this forum!


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#4093954 - 03/19/15 03:04 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Well, it lacks a little detailing... and Tires.

#4094016 - 03/19/15 04:53 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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LOL, yep, it does. Tires are off so I can cover the wheels after removing the rust from them.


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#4094133 - 03/19/15 10:42 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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That looks fantastic Dart!


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#4094364 - 03/20/15 01:33 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Fantastic project!


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#4094732 - 03/21/15 02:15 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4094829 - 03/21/15 12:59 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Oooh, I know that photo and video well - he got his tail chopped by the prop of a DR1 at an airshow in eastern Europe. DR1 made a nice engine out landing and he took a header in from about 200-300 feet.

Nasty bruises from the harness straps and a broken leg; he didn't walk away from it so much as get carried by two helpers to the ambulance.

That's the nice thing about tube-and-gusset construction - it's really strong but will deform nicely in a wreck, taking the G forces so the pilot doesn't have to.

I probably overbuilt my harness support system with that photo in mind, as it's the absolute worst case scenario, and one that lead to the only fatality in type. The guy nosed straight up on flight number one and did a header into pavement. So my shoulder straps are secured by a cable and a half system, the first one a cable going across the fuselage with both mounts running through and then a seperate cable for each running back on station on the fuselage. Back of the envelope math puts the cables handling ninety G's, positioned in the gussets on two places and angled to deform the fuselage. So hopefully between the front of the fuselage frame warping and the back of the fuselage bowing at the cable points I won't take that much. Plus the wings and gear will take a lot, too.

It would be hard to get that much G, though, as the aircraft works at slow speeds and is really light (around 600 pounds with pilot and full fuel), meaning the mass is low. She stalls at 35 MPH and cruises about 60 MPH; it's been debated whether or not one could reach the VNE of 98 MPH (where the aircraft would fall apart) due to the huge amount of drag caused by all the wires and fat airfoil.

Since the Nieuport 11 has a LOT of elevator (but not much rudder) and is light on the controls I put some tension on it. Not much, but hopefully enough to keep it from being overly responsive.

The FAA allows homebuilt aircraft for the purposes of "education and recreation," and I've certainly met the intended goals. In every set of plans - and even in the super duper CNC cut and pre-drilled kits - there's a bunch of blank spots the builder has to fill in and modifications to be made. The prudent soul finds a large body of research ahead of him over what seems like minor things (such as mounting harnesses or designing a seat), thinking about second order effects and accident chains. Three years ago I couldn't tell you the difference been an angle of incidence and dihedral (angle of the wing to the fuselage along the long axis and angle of the wing tip up from the side axis), annealing temperature of aluminum (800 degrees F, which is the same as the boiling point of Sharpie pen ink) and a host of other stuff that's neat to know. Builder groups on both the Internet and Real Life are invaluable, that's for sure!


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#4096157 - 03/24/15 04:11 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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I think it will fit nicely in a diorama, and you have just enough space in the backyard. Not sure who is currently selling 7/8 scale figures, though.

#4097814 - 03/27/15 12:35 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Tom Cruise is 7/8th isn't he?



#4098108 - 03/27/15 08:49 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Well, I scale up nicely to 6'2" tall when I step up to it!

Piecing together a WWI French uniform is tough, though.


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#4098241 - 03/28/15 01:35 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4098346 - 03/28/15 12:58 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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I like those pictures because they show the mess of uniforms the French had in 1915 - several different styles, shades (from the complety random Horizon blue that went from dark blue to nearly fieldgrau of the Germans to territorial tan to red pants), hats, ways of wearing insignia (note the one guy wearing an aviator's brassard), and one guy wearing shoes instead of boots.

The nature of Horizon Blue is always a lot of fun with experts. While color standarization existed within printing, the French military went a different way in its specifications. The reason the blue of their uniforms, roundels, and a lot of other things is called "Horizon Blue" is that it was officially described as the color of the sky five degrees above the horizon as seen from Paris on a clear day. That's open to a lot of interpretation, and manufacturers all had their own ideas on how to proceed.

On one of the aircraft replica sites I visit the blue of my roundels and trim caused a minor stir; it's too pale for the likings of some of the experts, and should be more in line with the blue of US Union Civil War uniforms (and later aircraft markings). They've got a lot of research behind them and some sexy ways of determining color from black and white photographs (as well as some paintings from reputable artists at the time) to back them up. And then somebody else brings out museum pieces of the blue on Nieuports that have been protected from sunlight since they were cut from the aircraft.....and my pale blue matches them....well, some of them. Others show the original experts were right.

Naturally this is discounted as being non-standard, and it is. But standards over such things were much more lax in WWI, and the Nieuport factories just didn't want to bother with them. The first N11's came off the line painted all in Horizon Blue, which we would call sort of a robin's egg shade today. Then camouflage, with roundels only on the bottom (as I did mine) - but during the battle of Verun they had added the clay color to the scheme....which was often done in the field. Then they gave up painting them at all and just slapped on clear doping. The trim along the wings (and eventually fuselage) was blue and brown and gray, depending on who was doing it and in which month they were made.


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#4098646 - 03/29/15 10:51 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Be wary of these.



There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4099662 - 03/31/15 03:01 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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From "Winged Victory" you get the impression these guys were just fluffy decoration to make the sky look less empty with their black smoke puffs.

#4100003 - 04/01/15 02:54 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Oh, Kanuk, I've plotted their main strategic positions in our sector.

They've a Mercedes plant making lorries in Tuscaloosa and some sort of rocket facility up in Huntsville. At the latter there's the Americans positioned to face them, but apparently it's something of a stalemate - neither side seems to have moved positions in a long time.


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#4100270 - 04/01/15 03:07 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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I keep telling myself that one weekend while visiting my mom in Pelham I am going to drive around until I see this thing poking over the fence line.

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#4101664 - 04/04/15 05:49 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Hopefully it'll be out of the back yard and in a hanger by the end of the month.

Btw, here's the video to go with that wreck:



Just amazing that he came out of it with a broken leg and some bruised ribs.


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