I thought ED is also doing a L-39?
And aren't they working on a Normandy map, to accompany the WW2 birds?

Rick

Thats a big list! As of right now I am intrested in the 18C, the Mirage, The Typhoon, and the western swing wing thing

Pretty sure VEAO announced some maps as well.?

Yeah, but they're in the road map, as opposed to currently being developed. Duxford, some place in Wales, the Falklands and Tunisia.

Yes and Yes

That A330 MRTT that VEAO has in their road map has kinda peaked my interest too.

I'd love for some heavy iron in DCS as well. A neat change of pace.


Side note: Did Iris officially back out btw?

After the F/A-18, F-14 Since it is presumed that between ED and LNS are working on a Nimitz Class Carrier for the Naval Aviation part of DCS. After this I would love see the following, if humanly possible: A6 Intruder, A7 Corsair. Both are probably long-shots considering the current rate of development at beta release dates.

As for IRIS Simulations, they are not a third party dev for ED. So they are off the grid.


Heat2151
USN Retired'08

Yup, I'm trying to keep a lot of VEAO's "Planned" stuff off the list for the moment, as their roadmap seems a wee bit ambitious to me. If they've posted screenshots somewhere, I'll add a map or plane to the list, but otherwise I assume it's still on their "wishlist". This is just to keep things more to-the-point.

This list is also kinda-sorta-but-not-officially a "stuff likely to see release in the next 18 months" thread. Obviously there's no confirmation on any of this, but that seems to be about the speed products are being released.



Thanks! Added to the list

VEAO is a strange bunch of birds. They still have not released officially their first A/C over a YEAR since their release date last March. Yes, folks the Hawk was supposed to be released last March.

So, who really believes they will release even 10% of these A/C. My worry is that they are dissuading other 3rd party folks from developing some of these a/c because VEAO has it on their list. I mean if you were picking an A/C to dev, would you pick one someone else already has on their list and you have no idea how far along it is.

VEAO: 1??? Has the Hawk been released yet??

No. Rumour on their Facebook page is that it will finally get an official release on Tuesday.

As stated earlier, VEAO is definitely a very mixed bag at the moment. I love their enthusiasm and openness with the community, but I'm not yet convinced about their quality. I've got every single DCS module and, to date, the only disappointments for me have been Combined Arms and the VEAO Hawk. Specifically, it's the cockpit interior that puts me off. It might sound a little shallow, but having a high-quality "office" is critical to me in a sim and the Hawk's cockpit (even with the 1.2.15 replacement textures) is still way below par compared to all of the other DCS offerings.

The other things that make me uncomfortable about VEAO (and this is all very anecdotal) is that they've had soooo much trouble bringing the Hawk to market versus their competitors. Belsimtek (who admittedly have an inside line to ED) are cranking out high quality modules and the offerings from Leatherneck and AvioDev have been excellent too. It feels suspicious to me that the Hawk, which at one time looked like it was going to be the first of the non-Belsimtek third party modules to be launched, has had such an problematic gestation (including all of the strange third-party installers and protracted landing problems with the SFM). I could be very wrong, but I feel as though even ED has been a bit uncertain about VEAO's quality bar.

This, for me, is compounded by some of the deals that they've struck. There have been at least three occasions where they've spotted an enthusiastic amateur making a 3D model, signed a deal and announced "We've making aircraft X" (e.g. the Meteor, Vampire and cancelled A-4 Skyhawk). Granted that the likes of Leatherneck and AvioDev are also the result of enthusiastic amateurs turning pro, but VEAO currently feels very scattershot and unfocused without providing (to date) any evidence of being able to reach the quality of their peers. There's a huge gap between buying a half-finished 3D model versus "we're making a high quality DCS module".

Having said all of that, I'm actually still rooting for VEAO. I love their enthusiasm, ambition and communicativeness and I'd love them to succeed. I even spent yet another hour with the Hawk last night in the hopes that I could convince myself to like it. Unfortunately, however, I remain skeptical for the time being and will be very cautious about pre-ordering their next module, which is a real shame.

I hope to eventually be proven very wrong.

I dont see what the issue is with the Cockpit,

When compared to photo's they look the same, the cockpit IRL is pretty simple color, and layout wise.

as for delays...,, Stuff comes up... that's software development.

VEAO is a strange bunch of birds. They still have not released officially their first A/C over a YEAR since their release date last March. Yes, folks the Hawk was supposed to be released last March.

So, who really believes they will release even 10% of these A/C. My worry is that they are dissuading other 3rd party folks from developing some of these a/c because VEAO has it on their list. I mean if you were picking an A/C to dev, would you pick one someone else already has on their list and you have no idea how far along it is.

They've also changed their plans a few times since then in regards to DCS Integration, DRM Protection, etc.

Originally it was to be a separate Download w/ a completely DRM Scheme, and Not Integrated into DCS.

Then the whole Licensing issue with BAE,

Then the Change in plans to Integrate and Change to Starforce.

A Majority of the delay falls on BAE Systems and their legal department.

Yeah, but they're in the road map, as opposed to currently being developed. Duxford, some place in Wales, the Falklands and Tunisia.