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#4087661 - 03/04/15 07:23 PM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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All F-14s were capable of carrying and deploying gravity bombs (Mk-82,84,etc). Not exactly. The BRU-10 bomb racks the Tomcat was designed to use for A/G stores didn't work very well. Bombs released tended to hang up in the tunnel between the engines. That was a bad thing, and as a result, you never, and I mean never saw an F-14A carry (and release!) bombs operationally until the early 90's. What changed? The BRU-32 rack, originally developed for the F/A-18 was adapted for the Tomcat. I helped write the release and control checklists while I was still on active duty at Pax.
Self Designating LGB on the other hand required the LTS, which was a 1996 program, used to ready the cats to replace the A-6s until the SuperBugs reach OC.
That was a pretty slick thing that the Fleet (actually Fighterwing One) did pretty much on their own. NAVAIR finally got on board once it was proven you could use the LANTIRN pod on the Tomcat, this resulted in the "Bombcat" upgrades.
F-14s were never capable of deploying Stand Off A2G weapons (JADAM, SLAM, HARM, MAV, ETC).
True that. Also the Tomcat never got the AIM-120 update. Woulda-coulda-shoulda... That said, the 7 Mike was pretty badass and under appreciated. And the Buffalo (a.k.a. Phoenix) was a beast.
So if you want a mach 2 mk.82 bomb truck, you should be able to do it, with no problems.
Even if the LTS isnt part of the Module, All -14s were capable of deploying them with another Aircraft lasing targets. (So A-10C, F-18C, and prolly JTAC, can lase in MP and have a -14 Come in and drop a LGB.
Works for me! Also my comments are meant to provide historical context, such as I remember. Hard to believe how long ago that really was. Best of luck to everyone working on this, I am looking forward to seeing the old girl back in the virtual skies. -CJ
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#4087664 - 03/04/15 07:25 PM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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Please do CJ. Your work on Jane's F-15 and F/A-18 has inspired myself and coworkers!
Man that was a long time ago, but thanks. Best of luck to you and the rest of your team! -CJ
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#4087668 - 03/04/15 07:33 PM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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All F-14s were capable of carrying and deploying gravity bombs (Mk-82,84,etc). Not exactly. The BRU-10 bomb racks the Tomcat was designed to use for A/G stores didn't work very well. Bombs released tended to hang up in the tunnel between the engines. That was a bad thing, and as a result, you never, and I mean never saw an F-14A carry (and release!) bombs operationally until the early 90's. What changed? The BRU-32 rack, originally developed for the F/A-18 was adapted for the Tomcat. I helped write the release and control checklists while I was still on active duty at Pax.
Self Designating LGB on the other hand required the LTS, which was a 1996 program, used to ready the cats to replace the A-6s until the SuperBugs reach OC.
That was a pretty slick thing that the Fleet (actually Fighterwing One) did pretty much on their own. NAVAIR finally got on board once it was proven you could use the LANTIRN pod on the Tomcat, this resulted in the "Bombcat" upgrades.
F-14s were never capable of deploying Stand Off A2G weapons (JADAM, SLAM, HARM, MAV, ETC).
True that. Also the Tomcat never got the AIM-120 update. Woulda-coulda-shoulda... That said, the 7 Mike was pretty badass and under appreciated. And the Buffalo (a.k.a. Phoenix) was a beast.
So if you want a mach 2 mk.82 bomb truck, you should be able to do it, with no problems.
Even if the LTS isnt part of the Module, All -14s were capable of deploying them with another Aircraft lasing targets. (So A-10C, F-18C, and prolly JTAC, can lase in MP and have a -14 Come in and drop a LGB.
Works for me! Also my comments are meant to provide historical context, such as I remember. Hard to believe how long ago that really was. Best of luck to everyone working on this, I am looking forward to seeing the old girl back in the virtual skies. -CJ Yeah, a lot of A specific parts seemed to not work. Bomb Racks, Engines, Aim54A rocket motors etc. They test fired Aim120s but they never progressed.past that.
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#4087674 - 03/04/15 07:47 PM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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That would be my setup in MP anyway, Aim9s abd Aim7s, :-)
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#4087681 - 03/04/15 08:03 PM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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I hope at some point LNS or ED adds the AIM-7P to the mix. I'm intrigued by the mid course uplink and apparently it's got something for it, because they're still hanging the things on the Hornets over Syria.
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#4087687 - 03/04/15 08:20 PM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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I hope at some point LNS or ED adds the AIM-7P to the mix. I'm intrigued by the mid course uplink and apparently it's got something for it, because they're still hanging the things on the Hornets over Syria. Cost. Medium priced BVR against lower tech opposition.
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#4087744 - 03/04/15 10:41 PM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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Would be nice if we could use a TARPS pod for reconnaissance or BDA missions.
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#4087848 - 03/05/15 03:38 AM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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All F-14s were capable of carrying and deploying gravity bombs (Mk-82,84,etc). Not exactly. The BRU-10 bomb racks the Tomcat was designed to use for A/G stores didn't work very well. Bombs released tended to hang up in the tunnel between the engines. That was a bad thing, and as a result, you never, and I mean never saw an F-14A carry (and release!) bombs operationally until the early 90's. What changed? The BRU-32 rack, originally developed for the F/A-18 was adapted for the Tomcat. I helped write the release and control checklists while I was still on active duty at Pax.
Self Designating LGB on the other hand required the LTS, which was a 1996 program, used to ready the cats to replace the A-6s until the SuperBugs reach OC.
That was a pretty slick thing that the Fleet (actually Fighterwing One) did pretty much on their own. NAVAIR finally got on board once it was proven you could use the LANTIRN pod on the Tomcat, this resulted in the "Bombcat" upgrades.
F-14s were never capable of deploying Stand Off A2G weapons (JADAM, SLAM, HARM, MAV, ETC).
True that. Also the Tomcat never got the AIM-120 update. Woulda-coulda-shoulda... That said, the 7 Mike was pretty badass and under appreciated. And the Buffalo (a.k.a. Phoenix) was a beast.
So if you want a mach 2 mk.82 bomb truck, you should be able to do it, with no problems.
Even if the LTS isnt part of the Module, All -14s were capable of deploying them with another Aircraft lasing targets. (So A-10C, F-18C, and prolly JTAC, can lase in MP and have a -14 Come in and drop a LGB.
Works for me! Also my comments are meant to provide historical context, such as I remember. Hard to believe how long ago that really was. Best of luck to everyone working on this, I am looking forward to seeing the old girl back in the virtual skies. -CJ CJ, It's good to see you back on these boards, I was stationed at NAS Pax River for my shore duty back in the day. I love the work you did with Jane's F/A-18, It has and continues to be one of my all time favorite combat flight Simulations. Funny the mention of the F-14B, I just finished reading the following book on the subject: Black Aces High: The Story of a Modern Fighter Squadron at War by Robert Wilcox. http://www.amazon.com/Black-Aces-High-Fi...Black+Aces+highHeat2151 USN Retired"08
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#4087917 - 03/05/15 11:20 AM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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Heat, when were you at Pax? I was active duty there 1988-91 assigned to Strike Aircraft Test Directorate (now VX-23). Aside from a little side trip in the late 90s (lol), I've been here ever since. Navy civilian now though.
-CJ
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#4087990 - 03/05/15 02:00 PM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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If the D program hadn't been canned by Cheney I think the 120 integration would've happened. As it was the fleet was too small to bother with AFAIK.
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#4088114 - 03/05/15 05:55 PM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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Heat, when were you at Pax? I was active duty there 1988-91 assigned to Strike Aircraft Test Directorate (now VX-23). Aside from a little side trip in the late 90s (lol), I've been here ever since. Navy civilian now though.
-CJ CJ, I was at PAX, from 92 to 94 when I came back from the sandbox (aka) the boat. I miss the people and had a great time. I don't miss those long lines to get in the base in the morning. At times it felt that like the traffic was backed up all the way to Baltimore. Their was this great bar at Solomon's island that we used to frequent on weekends called the tiki bar, man that was such a blast. Heat2151 USN Retired'08
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#4088227 - 03/05/15 09:42 PM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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Not sure where you heard they test fired the AIM-120, as far as I know that is not true. Would have required a software update and that didn't happen. Captive carry is possible, but I never saw that at Pax and we did all the wep sep work here.
Some other myths I can bust:
* the TF-30s turned out to be pretty decent motors once the kinks were worked out. Actually faster in the top end, although the F110 would blow it away off the line
* AIM-54 rocket motor issues were almost always caused by improper adjustment of the missile rail. Mess that up and you create the notorious "Phoennie bomb"
* After the Shah got run out of Iran, commercial "fuzzbuster" radar detectors were mounted in the front cockpit to provide some warning a Hawk battery was lighting up the jet. By the mid 80s we were pulling those out as the EW gear had been updated.
* AWG-9 was an immensely powerful radar but that power came at a cost - poor reliability. The system would stay up pretty good if you flew the crap out of it, but if it sat for a couple of days it would take some work to get back up. The downside of port visits!
-CJ Given the work they did on the Mig, I'll be curious to see how much of this "character" from the F-14 makes its way into the final product. Maybe it's all rumors/overblown, but it still seems like she was a finky bird a lot of the time (more so than other jets). Im sure LN has some tricks up their sleeves here...
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#4088327 - 03/06/15 02:51 AM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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Not sure where you heard they test fired the AIM-120, as far as I know that is not true. Would have required a software update and that didn't happen. Captive carry is possible, but I never saw that at Pax and we did all the wep sep work here.
Some other myths I can bust:
* the TF-30s turned out to be pretty decent motors once the kinks were worked out. Actually faster in the top end, although the F110 would blow it away off the line
* AIM-54 rocket motor issues were almost always caused by improper adjustment of the missile rail. Mess that up and you create the notorious "Phoennie bomb"
* After the Shah got run out of Iran, commercial "fuzzbuster" radar detectors were mounted in the front cockpit to provide some warning a Hawk battery was lighting up the jet. By the mid 80s we were pulling those out as the EW gear had been updated.
* AWG-9 was an immensely powerful radar but that power came at a cost - poor reliability. The system would stay up pretty good if you flew the crap out of it, but if it sat for a couple of days it would take some work to get back up. The downside of port visits!
-CJ Given the work they did on the Mig, I'll be curious to see how much of this "character" from the F-14 makes its way into the final product. Maybe it's all rumors/overblown, but it still seems like she was a finky bird a lot of the time (more so than other jets). Im sure LN has some tricks up their sleeves here... Before the DFCS yeah, After the DFCS, not so much.
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#4088409 - 03/06/15 09:42 AM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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Did LNS make any comments in regards to LANTIRN or Bombcat upgrades? They want to look into Bombcat, if they get all tech-information.
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#4088410 - 03/06/15 09:57 AM
Re: DCS: F-14A/A+/B By Leatherneck Simulations
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Did LNS make any comments in regards to LANTIRN or Bombcat upgrades? They want to look into Bombcat, if they get all tech-information. I don't know a lot about Bombcat or F-14 in general. Does Bombcat have LANTIRN? Or was that some other upgrade? Thanks.
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