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#4075667 - 02/08/15 08:50 PM Bms troubles  
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Hi all recently got back into falcon after a few years of non flying. I've setup bms and I thought it was all setup correctly but today I've started a campaign today and I've had a couple of problems. The 1st one was when I tried to bug a target on my radar, what happened was that the game froze but I could sitill change to external views. I'm sure my HOTAS is set correctly so I don't think its a control issue more of a freeze?. The second was a little later on in the same mission, I was flying back to base and the game froze and the CTD. I didn't get any error other than program stopped working. I'm using windows 8.1 and I've got the latest driver for my nvidia gtx760, I've also got the nvidia experience program on my system.

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#4075706 - 02/08/15 10:38 PM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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Bugged install maybe?


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#4075738 - 02/08/15 11:35 PM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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Like Ice mentioned, buggered install?

What version of BMS are you using? Which campaign?

#4075837 - 02/09/15 05:53 AM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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I'm using the update 7 and the standard kto, I'll try a re-install I think.

#4075937 - 02/09/15 02:16 PM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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I'd try to download the installers again if possible.


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#4076303 - 02/10/15 03:17 AM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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I've found BMS to be rock solid. Sounds like a porked install to me too.


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#4076716 - 02/10/15 08:43 PM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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Ok I've re installed and I've managed to fly a whole mission without any problems so far apart from not knowing what's going on around me and landing at the wrong airbase but hey ho

#4076831 - 02/11/15 12:27 AM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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You can land?-)

Now go give the terrain a good make over.

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#4076905 - 02/11/15 05:48 AM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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Well it was kind of a landing, I wouldn't exactly call it text book lol

#4076954 - 02/11/15 11:54 AM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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Any landing you can walk away from.......


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#4077196 - 02/11/15 06:38 PM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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well limp in this case lol

#4077317 - 02/12/15 12:30 AM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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The Viper can be a little tricky to land as the landing gear is not very robust and the jet has tendency to wobble when the main wheels touch down.


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#4077485 - 02/12/15 01:29 PM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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I didn't do to bad really but it was certainly a navy landing. I think I need to work out the ils system to give me more of an idea of my glue slope because I'm all over the shop at the moment.

#4077492 - 02/12/15 01:48 PM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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Look at the markers next to the runway - one red and one white and you're good to go.
Next put the FPM on the -2.5 deg line and manouver to have that FPM at the start of the runway (still on the -2.5).
Next open that coffee you brought and just fly into the ground and you should be all good.
Do not engage NWS until you really need to turn into taxi.

#4077710 - 02/12/15 09:18 PM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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No wonder you had a dodgy landing. It's very hard going down the glue slope... very sticky. Try the glide slope next time! biggrin

Try the Day Landing Final Approach TE. It's the 3rd TE. I find that anything above 160knots and the airplane wants to fly in that clean configuration, so I would say approach at 200KIAS, 180 on the descent, drop throttles when over the threshold and be around 160. On your final leg, put the FPM on the numbers and fly your AoA to keep it there and keep your speed at 160-180 with the speedbrakes OPEN. Once near the threshold, slowly drop the throttles to idle and "flare" by moving the FPM up the runway. Keep the gun cross BELOW 13-degrees and that should be enough for aerobraking without scraping the brakes on the runway. Eventually, it'll take full back-pressure just to keep the nose up.

I usually don't bother with glide slopes and such anymore and do visual landings most of the time.


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#4077720 - 02/12/15 09:25 PM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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Originally Posted By: Donk
I didn't do to bad really but it was certainly a navy landing. I think I need to work out the ils system to give me more of an idea of my glue slope because I'm all over the shop at the moment.


The ILS is probably unnecessary. Configured correctly the little steering cue is very effective though. But the ILS signal won't be the same as a normal VFR approach path.

On a visual approach you want four things to line up:
1. The threshold of the runway
2. The -2.5° dashed reference line "Where you are"
3. The FPM "Where you're going"
4. The top of the AOA staple "Your attitude"

In that order no less! It looks like lining up 4 things is hard but thankfully you don't have to worry about #1, it's very heavy and made of concrete so it's best to change #2 #3 and #4 instead. First thing is to get onto the correct path. It does no good to be going the correct direction or in the correct attitude if you start from the wrong position. Fly to line up #2 with #1. If #2 is below #1 fly up otherwise fly down. When #2 is on top of #1, proceed to the next step.

Now that you're on the approach path you want to stay on it. Place #3 on #1 & #2 to travel along this sloped line. Go to the next step.

To prepare for landing we want to condition the airplane by achieving the desired approach AOA (11-13°, often 11°). Slow down or speed up until #4 is aligned with #1 & #2 & #3. As you change speed #3 will try to move out of alignment with #1 & #2, adjust so that it is #4 that's moving, not #3.

At about 50' height walk #3 half way down the runway then throttle back and continue moving #3 toward the far end without going past until touchdown.

#4077912 - 02/13/15 05:23 AM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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Cheers guys I remembered the 13 deg gun cross but I think I flew it all the way down from 500ft at that attitude lol. I'm off work now until Tuesday so hopefully I'll be able to get a couple of flights in. I think I'm going to try a few TE and I might even have a shot at refuelling ( never been able to do that in any sim ) and ice I'll try to stay out of the glue this time lol biggrin

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#4078747 - 02/14/15 09:41 PM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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I think the official number is 14 degrees but any more and you'll scrape the brakes. "Slightly above middle of 10- and 15-degree markers" is safer IMHO.


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#4079114 - 02/15/15 09:36 PM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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I did a test and scrapped slightly after 15 degrees (5000#, D model, no stores). I thought it was as high as 17 degrees but my memory must be faulty. In any case you want to light up the green doughnut AOA indicator on the landing roll. It's tempting to aerobrake at 10 degrees but the drag just isn't there until you really rotate the thing to at least 12.

Also release the speedbrake switch before landing. You can open it 100% at any time but you have to hold the switch to keep it there. Releasing the switch at least a few seconds before landing ensures that it can retract to the 43 degree position which helps prevent scraping. Don't increase the open beyond this setting until the nose wheel is on the ground. One the NLG WOW is activated it'll stay 100% open without holding the switch.

#4079185 - 02/16/15 12:41 AM Re: Bms troubles [Re: Jonesy8077]  
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Hmmmm... So you're saying pegging the gun cross at 15-degree pitch is safe? Nice! I'll have to try this as well.... I can't understand why I've never done so.


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