I've got this strange feeling that the Atolls are vastly superior right now to their real life counterparts.

A, The AI is perfectly capable of employing them as all aspect missiles. In a Phantom vs MiG mission I just scrapped together intending it to be challenging due to only involving Vietnam era weapons, my AI flight shot down half the Phantoms from head on with their Atolls.

B, They seem damn near impossible to shake, which is strange since they were 100% reverse engineered AIM-9Bs. The AIM-9B, known for not being able to deal with more than ~2 Gs.

C, Their range. Try the quick start intercept mission. I predict that you'll have absolutely zero issues scoring a hit on the Tiger from 6 o'clock at 10km range.

In short, in the hands of the AI they're putting the AIM-9X to shame. Human players can still pull of B and C with no problems. Also, you might wanna look at preventing the AI from deploying countermeasures when they don't have the ASO-2.

They were poor missiles - but comparable to western types of that age

AFAIK there were 4 types - what versions are in DCS?

AA-2 Atoll A (R-3S / K-13A) IR 1961
AA-2 Atoll B (R-3R / K-13R) SARH 1966
AA-2 Atoll C (R-13R / K-13R) SARH 1969
AA-2 Atoll D (R-13M / K-13M) IR 1973

One with SARH would be all aspect - but only within very limited parameters

Three of the four are in. The missing one is the R-13R. There are both the R-13M and R-13M1 though.

The AI are bananas though. It doesn't matter how primitive their equipment, AI treat RWR and radar as a "yes/no" situation and detect pinpoint items as if they had 22nd century technology. And that's on top of their visual sensor (eyeball) that outperforms human players 10:1.

The 2G limitation is a launch condition load factor generally because of the immediate post-launch straight segment prior to a turn they would lose track due to leaving the sensor FOR. It's not quite that limited in flight.

Ah, got it. They're nonetheless very capable of being launched at max G.

Need to check but IIRC - if the AIM-9B / GAR-8 was launched within AOA / G / lamda limits it could not deal with targets pulling 6Gs.

The early AIM-9s didn't uncage their seekers on the rail before launch. Every single IR missile in MiG-21bis does though.

If the R-13M is truly equivalent to the AIM-9G, that is a very capable missile... mainly inferior to the AIM-9L because it lacks the all-aspect seeker head, but otherwise a great dogfight missile including the uncaged seeker.

The issue I'm pointing out though is that the R-3 series have an incredible range that's at least five times that of the actual max range, not to mention that they're all aspect to the AI.

R-3 should be good out to 8-10km kinematic. High Pk is about 2km.

Well, when you fire it from 6 o'clock of a target travelling at 1000kp/h, at a range of 10km I'd expect the effective range it'd have to travel to be quite a lot more than that.

How do those rate to the r-60 and r-60m, those are pretty much the only ir missiles I use and I always wonder if I'm using the best ones.

R-73 > R-60 > R-13 > R-3.



The Jedi Master

It's not just the A-A missiles, to be honest. The AI is terrifyingly competent (beyond the capabilities of the platform) with bombs as well in the MiG. If you run the ground attack instant action, they will deliver them with near pinpoint accuracy from level flight at around 2-3k meters. They also deliver rockets in pairs instead of the MiG's set ripple quantities, though not very accurately.

In short it seems like the AI doesn't simulate the actual capabilities of their aircraft's targeting systems...